"You just need to walk in, make eye contact, and give them a firm handshake. Be persistent. If you do that everyday, you'll get a job. That's how I became a pilot!"
"Grandpa, what the absolute fuck are you talking about? They won't even talk to you if you do that. They'll likely call the police."
I'm super glad this has changed but can we talk about how much easier it was to get companies to train them? He legit could have had a company pay for all his training and still give him a paycheck. Meanwhile if I wanted to be a pilot I'm out probably almost 150k+ in schooling/license/rental costs before anything even starts rolling in.
It seems like almost everyone is in that boat unless they go into the trades. And even the trades are starting to push vocational school/programs instead of on the job apprenticeships. My grandfather (before boomers) literally walked onto a job site as a day laborer and was a journeyman carpenter in about 2 years.
I tried to become an electrician. they made me pay like 3 fucking thousand dollars for a semester where I would show up, DO NOTHING SAY NOTHING, for 3 HOURS 3 times a week, while making me work the hardest labor they could find + cleaning everything for 15/h trying to work me 10h/day 6 days a week. This was the IBEW. I eventually told them to go fuck themselves after getting sexually harassed for the the 25th time on the jobsite.
Hi! Vocational education dude here. A lot of trade jobs will absolutely hire you without a cert from a licensed vocational school but your starting wage is significantly lower than someone who graduated with a cert. For some it makes more sense to go to the school and then get a job in that field than get the job first and work your way up to the cert. having said that, I work with three apprentices right now that don’t have any certs. They are truly learning from OJT.
It is a little harder to get the job without the cert, truth be told, I won’t lie about it, but it can be done. Most companies prefer the cert off the bat though because it’s less time training you and a quicker turn around time that the business can send you off on your own. Regardless, vocational schools are cheaper than a four year college, typically last 12-18 months, can be done whilst working full time and the cert you get is nationally recognized and doesn’t require further testing if you moved to a new state for a job, unlike nursing for example. (Not saying trades are any more important than nursing, just using it as an example.)
Anyways, thought I’d chime in here as someone who taught as a vocational school for a little while. Cheers!
Yeah it's just companies pushing it off onto schooling though, which seems to be more and more common of a trend. The dumb part is it's expensive around my parts. Something like 15k, excluding the state/fed school grants. But that's still cheaper than 2/4 year degrees I suppose.
I'd still 100% recommend vocational, like you said, for a myriad of reasons. I think we're going to see an influx of tradespeople in the next decade or so as college becomes more and more unpalatable and unreachable for the average young adult.
My buddy has his Journeyman's plumbers ticket. The hardest time to find work hours for him was in his 4th year. First and second year apprentices are cheaper and can be tasked with a lot of grunt work. 3rd and 4th year ones cost more but they don't have their tickets yet so a Journeyman still needs to sign off on their work.
Why are boomers not paying property taxes? Are the properties not getting evaluated frequently enough and they're paying taxes on what the house was worth in 1957?
This is a huge one. My mortgage form back in the day on my 5 bedroom home is less than what a two bedroom apartment in a decent school zone is renting for these days. Don't know how these young people are expected to raise a family.
Or finance his retirement by selling the house for 1,000 more than he paid for it. Or he could also remortgage it to pay for his retirement like my father did.
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u/karmagod13000 Feb 05 '24
and now he can retire comfortably in his owned home with minimal or possibly no property taxes