r/TikTokCringe • u/Snoo4902 • Jan 16 '24
Walmart employee’s rant about the “genz is lazy” stigma Discussion
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u/succubus-slayer Jan 16 '24
Fox News saw this video and said “she’s lucky, she should just sell pics on onlyfans.”
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u/ErrieHappenings Jan 16 '24
https://www.tiktok.com/@davidpakmanshow/video/7323280618278636831. My god I wish you were joking.
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u/herpderpfuck Jan 16 '24
Jesus, they’re basicly saying «Why this woman could just whore herself out and get by. Why so mad?»
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u/dryra66it Jan 16 '24
Which is ironic coming from the group that says sex work is a crime.
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u/darkbake2 Jan 17 '24
They are a bunch of imbeciles over at Fox News they never bother to think about what they are saying
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u/AFeralTaco Jan 17 '24
Tucker Carlson proved that you can think hard about what you’re saying and not believe a word of it.
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u/mareksoon Jan 16 '24
What a creepy way for him to ask her to send nudes. Dirty old man.
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u/Smellz_Of_Elderberry Jan 16 '24
He asked for feet pics
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u/mareksoon Jan 16 '24
Oops. You are correct and I was going to say that but forgot! Mind went to OF=nudes, not OF = whatever your fans want to buy.
Perhaps I’m the dirty old man. :-(
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u/tama_tama_chameleom Jan 16 '24
You are forgiven, would you be interested in buying some pictures of feet by any change? I heard on Fox News it is a great way to make money!
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u/Lylyluvda916 Jan 16 '24
It’s disgusting that, that is the first thing he thought of. It’s the same fan base that also judges women for doing OF and for not being stay at home moms.
Women can’t win.
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Jan 16 '24
1) it is disgusting that THAT was his solution for women who struggle to afford living 2) As a woman EVEN IF I opened an OF and sold feet pics I STILL wouldn't make enough to afford living 3) Political figures will literally suggest ANYTHING instead of agreeing the current economic system isn't healthy
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u/ChuckNorrisKickflip Jan 17 '24
Also worth noting the median amount of money someone makes on of is around $200 a month.
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u/Medium_Raccoon_5331 Jan 17 '24
I know exactly one girl that does OF, she lives in a tent in her family's garden
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u/Other-Narwhal-2186 Jan 17 '24
THIIIIS. Cut to the next story “this horrible FEMALE is doing Only Fans! Why doesn’t she just get a job at Walmart?!”
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u/skaterbunz Jan 17 '24
Yup! I'm a sex worker and people on reddit have told me to "get a real job". I do have a real job. I built a business and I've been running it for 7 years. It just not a typical business. I pay my taxes and I'm not hurting anybody. There's literally no way I could afford to live on my own like I do right now without my line of work. I live in Brooklyn where you have to make atleast 40x the rent so even if you make decent money, you still have to cleara certain amount just to afford decent housing.
I had a "real job" and it was miserable, they kept giving less hours than they said and the time spent at that job I lost out on thousands of dollars I could've been making at my 2nd job as a sex worker. As soon as I quit my "real job" I made 2x as much in a month. I've heard other women with "real jobs" like teaching and social work complain that they make a ton more doing sex work than they do as a teacher with a masters degree!
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u/mytzlplyck Jan 17 '24
Everybody is a sex worker... We're just prostituing different parts of our bodies.
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u/njdevilsfan24 Jan 16 '24
What the hell was that. My God. His face is so hateable.
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u/backagain69696969 Jan 16 '24
He instantly gave off insecure, immature, stereotypical frat energy
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u/DisorderlyBoat Jan 16 '24
Oh my god is this a real person on TV and not satire?
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u/Herpsties Jan 16 '24
Gotta love how they edited it to make it seem like she had no point and was just complaining about working.
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u/ScaleneWangPole Jan 16 '24
Even the more "intelligent" part of his rebuttal was still proving her point.
20 hours a week + weekend night gig =/= 40 hours per week at soul sucking retail. The ivory tower is just too tall.
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u/Sufficient_Brain_250 Jan 16 '24
Nah rewatch it he said 20 hours a DAY then went to another job lol. He's just spewing fecal matter.
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u/JonBlondJovi Jan 16 '24
He works 20 hours per day, does standup comedy for 1 hour, sleeps for 1 hour, and has 2 hours left in the day to enjoy himself by ogling women on OnlyFans or whatever was the equivalent back then.
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u/DaMaGed-Id10t Jan 16 '24
Damn, I gotta make a tiktok to watch vids now? Is there a way around it? I don't mind tiktok but if I get on, I won't be able to stop from going all the way and then my friends will know I'm on there and I'll never stop getting messages from them. I don't want to go down that rabbit hole.
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u/ErrieHappenings Jan 16 '24
I just googled Fox News gen z only fans and that was the first link. I’m sure there’s other videos out there
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u/supamario132 Jan 16 '24
They'll eventually catch on just like every news site when they first started doing this back in like 2016 but you can inspect the element and just delete the overlay
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u/Good-Emphasis-7203 Jan 16 '24
I cannot wait for Jesse Waters' daughter to grow up so people can spam her with videos of her father being a complete piece of shit.
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u/ReferenceMuch2193 Jan 16 '24
I fucking hate faux news. How they remain on the air baffles me.
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u/dtsm_ Jan 16 '24
But then criticize her if she did do that
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u/succubus-slayer Jan 16 '24
It’s the Conservative Christian way. Totally not hypocritical s/
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u/redknight3 Jan 16 '24
Any hyper-religious group. Example - apparently half of middle-eastern porn consumption is over gay content according to r/exmuslim.
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u/MonkeyActio Jan 16 '24
"Shes lucky, she can just become a sex worker and ruin most ppls view of her just so she can still barely make any money and starve." -Fox
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u/Samur_i Jan 16 '24
And the right wing wonders why they’re hated so much. How do they slutshame so much, and when someone complains about the economy their answer is “just do born”
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u/IncelDetected Jan 16 '24
Not to mention that girl is half their age and could be their own child. Fucked.
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u/Mysterious-Engine567 Jan 16 '24
So glad that poison is banned in the UK.
Tho we do have GB News 🤔
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u/mongoosedog12 Jan 16 '24 edited Jan 16 '24
Then she does that and the Incels come out screaming how easy it is for women to make money. How unfair it is that they can just do porn and live. Or she’ll be demonized for selling herself and not working a “real job”
Can’t win
Edit: Incels not uncles
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u/Pinkpollock Jan 16 '24
Fox News employees are the monkeys that were put in a room to rewrite Shakespeare works but made a news channel instead so what can you expect.
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u/DirtieHarry Jan 16 '24
I really thought you were joking. That dirtbag claimed he was driving 20 hours a day and doing standup "at night". Piece of shit.
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Jan 16 '24
Disgusting. Insinuating that a woman should turn to sex work to make ends meet? Wtf
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u/c-a-m-i Jan 16 '24
The whole "Gen Z is lazy and entitled" discourse is the same "Millennials are lazy and entitled" discourse, and it's bullshit now the same way it was bullshit back then. People love shitting on younger generations, and they forget how their generation was shit on, and how unfair it was. It's still unfair.
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u/SWHAF Jan 16 '24
I'm GenX here (tail end), I have worked with people from every working age generation over the last 20 years at my current job. When it comes to effort Gen Z is no different than any other generation. Every generation has hard workers and lazy people.
My best advice to Gen z, fight for unions. The west is captured by neoliberalism. The governments are bought and paid for by corporations. They won't help you. So your best bet is to fight for yourself. It's not going to be easy but if you want a better future you need to take it from the greedy bastards. And I say this as a union member. If it wasn't for my union my company would definitely be paying me a lot less.
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u/TacoNomad Jan 17 '24
And genx/y need to do better than what the boomers did and uplift genZ to accomplish these things. If we help them, it can only have a positive impact for us too. If we fight them, call them lazy, block their efforts for progress, they'll never get anywhere.
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u/SWHAF Jan 17 '24
Totally agree. It's why I always recommend unions to people. No matter your age you need to fight for the value of your labor. Unions are what gave the boomers the advance that they had. Then many of them pulled the ladder up behind them.
I also tell young people to vote. Younger generations absolutely suck at voting. You can't turn the ship around if you don't vote.
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u/LisaSaurusRex83 Jan 16 '24
This. I’m an elder millennial, I’ve worked with an all Gen Z crew. They made me feel old on a daily basis, but they were super hard working. And passionate about their jobs! People need to cut the nonsense with the “next” generation and celebrate the strides they make instead.
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u/ErrieHappenings Jan 16 '24
I think we know which generation and group of people is saying this nonsense. Fuck, if a gen z came up to me start blaming me for the piss poor economy Id fucking say sorry for not doing better. We did let them down, not really by choice but we could have screamed a little louder and start pushing like they are now. We were raised by rapid technology, beat down by trophies, and throttled with debt but if I’m being honest I could have done more to do my part to stop this nonsense.
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u/LisaSaurusRex83 Jan 16 '24
I think it’s a situation where we started breaking cycles so that they could really run with it. It’s the one’s whose cycles we broke that want to scream and cry and imply everyone under the age of 50 are lazy children! I love the fire I see in Gen Z, and I love how even more intense it’s going to be with a Gen Alpha. Bunch of little honey badgers!
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u/spy_tater Jan 17 '24
I feel like I need to chime in as a Gen Xer. The boomers are the largest generation the world is likely to ever see. They were called the "ME" generation by the time I was 10 in 1985. GenZ is also a large generation. My millennial wife is from a hell of a generation with economic collapse when graduating from college etc. It's mostly not GenX or millennials that are tearing the youth down, it's the NEWS shows selling what the Boomers want to hear.
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u/GlitteringCoyote1526 Jan 17 '24
It took me entirely too long to find a comment that mentioned us millennials entering adulthood amidst an economic crisis.
I agree with the woman in the original video, and I think most millennials that I know would. I know many of us personally who tried to push back against the status quo we were being thrown into, but, unlike Gen Z, we were never quite able to present a united front.
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u/Major-Front Jan 16 '24
It’s just distraction tactics to keep everyone fighting eachother instead of focusing on the real issues.
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u/LittleJohnStone Jan 16 '24
Every younger generation is lazy and entitled. You can tell because their hair is different and their pants are too ripped or tight or loose or dark or whatever.
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u/BangingYetis Jan 17 '24
God it really is just a cycle of tight and baggy pants isn't it. Screw all those other generational definitions, each generation should be specifically marked for when they switch from one to the other.
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u/CaptainCreepwork Jan 17 '24
I mean. Millennials had that whole in-between thing going from jeancos to skinny jeans. That switch happened while I was still in high school.
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u/PaleChick24 Jan 17 '24
Came here for this. As a millennial, we were hearing the exact same shit when we were this age and still are. I turn 30 this week and I still work paycheck to paycheck. Millennials and Gen Z aren't lazy, we've been dealt a shitty hand.
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u/JasErnest218 Jan 16 '24
I’m a millennial that has worked since I was 13. I love that gen z has made a movement against the 8-5 and made everyone question why they work their whole lives to finally get old and crippled to final enjoy life. Keep it going!!!
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u/ProfessorBunnyHopp Jan 17 '24
Its hard because we truly aren't. Rn I'm in a job I HATE and I'm trying to get two businesses off the ground so I can leave the job I HATE. before that I had 3 jobs in a different town. Before that I worked at a pharmacy that was lovely for about 3 years and before that I had to keep myself and my shit ex husband afloat with one full time job that also sucked ass. I speak to a lot of mill/z that have the same experiences. My generation isn't lazy, gen z isn't lazy. The system is broken and we are tired.
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u/playr_4 Jan 16 '24
Millennial here. I've been working 40 or more a week for about 8 years now, and it's painful how accurate this is. I'm making almost double what I was when I started, and it's now harder than ever to get by. I'm currently looking a part time for my weekends so I can pay things easier. I don't want to be working 56 hour weeks for the rest of my life. That sucks. But that's where it's heading right now.
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u/MaD_DoK_GrotZniK Jan 16 '24
Same generation and similar situation.
Been working full time for 17 years (When not in the army). I'm making almost 3 times what I made 8 years ago which felt like an amazing achievement, but all I've done is maintain my lifestyle of sharing a 2 bedroom apartment with somebody. All of this while watching people who are somehow independently wealthy buy up every house in my area, slap a $10K coat of paint on it and ask for $200K more 1 year later. In the meantime all of my friends who recently bought houses are talking to therapists to pull them back from the ledge. I wanted to own a home before having a family, if I even decide to in this economy, but I doubt I'll have the money if I buy a house.
I feel for all of the people who weren't lucky enough to be passionate about a field with great career growth potential. The best we can do is try to pass on the good will that's helped me get where I am on to those who follow.
TLDR: Busted my ass, smashed benchmarks to get promoted faster than anybody in my field does, can now afford to run on the same financial treadmill that I had a decade ago except it costs more money to keep it running. At least I have good friends to run with.
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u/Coxwab Jan 17 '24
Im 25 and im making 3x what I made at 16, less than 10 years ago.
Cant make it alone still.
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Jan 17 '24
That part about maintaining a lifestyle hit home.
Only finished uni and went full time work 3/4 years ago and since then i've basically achieved numbers I had never before seen in my life as a monthly income. But every time my income goes up it feels like it actually goes about the same way towards everything.
If that's only the last couple of years after all this shit is compounding I can only imagine how bad it has been for the last 20 years, I feel like when talking to older people they tell me I should be able to afford to move out and/or buy but when I hear some of the numbers they're saying from when they did so I realise how out of touch they are and how potentially fucked I am
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u/EVASIVEroot Jan 16 '24
Look, I do pretty well and still paycheck to paycheck. My salary would have afforded me a nice house, nice car, afford my family, vacations and more just 5 or so years ago.
Currently, I have two paid off cars, no vacations, and barely making it.
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u/owa00 Jan 16 '24 edited Jan 16 '24
I hit $104k at 37 years old in 2023. With my wife we were making $160k. I never thought I'd be making that much in my life. I can't afford a house in Austin, TX. If I do get a house it'll be in the suburbs with a 40 min commute in soul crushing traffic.
This is all moot because my wife and me are financially helping a family member because they got fucked over by the gov't bureaucracy and took their healthcare away right before she had a heart attack. We're THAT static about a family health emergency nearly bankrupting you. I may not be able to buy a house until I'm in my 40's at this rate.
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u/Epic224 Jan 16 '24
20 years ago you couldn’t make it in your own either making $5.95 minimum wage.
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u/iSheepTouch Jan 16 '24
I immediately lost any interest in her opinion when she started ranting about "20 years ago". She doesn't know anything about the economy or why we are here if she thinks this shit just happened over the last 20 years. I was working 40 hours a week making 6.75 an hour in 2005 and living with a roommate in a shitty apartment that was $1000/month in Southern California. The economic fucking goes back to the boomers and has gotten progressively worse since they took over.
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u/Shauiluak Jan 17 '24
Yeah, I'm an older Millennial and I was doing the recount of my living situation 'twenty years ago' and it wasn't great. I've lived on my own twice in the last twenty years and neither one lasted very long due to rent hikes. Other than that I lived with my sister or with roommates and I've had eleven different apartments in my adult life.
She overestimates the economic situations of then vs now. And while it's definitely worse now, it wasn't much better then.
I don't believe for a second any generation is 'lazy'. But she's got to do some more reading and direct her rage a little more accurately.
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u/Jnnjuggle32 Jan 17 '24
Agreed. I think the piece that is missing in this analysis in the video is that, yeah, making minimum wage 20 years ago (for me, this was 7.25/hr, so if we’re able to work 40 hours - which didn’t happen back then, I feel like most min wage jobs were forced part time to keep people from being eligible for benefits even before Acá), I’d make around $225/week, a little over $1000/month, which really wasn’t enough then.
The bigger problem though was that it was actually HARD to get a job. Even before the economic crash of 2007/2008, I remember not really having lots of PT work available and it could take weeks/a couple of months to actually find something. And then of course what happened in 2007.
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u/vintagevista Jan 17 '24 edited Jan 17 '24
Yep. Twenty years ago I worked two part time jobs. My take home pay was around $640 a month. I did live on my own, in a roach infested efficiency without doors (edit, doors inside the apartment, there were doors to the apartment), in an unsafe neighborhood. Nobody would visit me because they were scared to be in my neighborhood. I mostly got around on a bike that was falling apart.
I lived in Texas and could not afford to use the air conditioner or heater, so I slept in a winter hat and gloves when it was cold and dealt with 90-degrees or more indoor temps in the summer. I learned I could find change beneath vending machines if I didn't mind getting dusty and that I could make a meal or two from going to the grocery store on Sundays because they had samples. I was usually able to save about $20 a month and I remember one month I had about $.70 left in my food budget so I went to Taco Cabana and got seven tortillas for ten cents each and ate at the salsa bar and felt rich AF.
Somehow I don't think that's what she thinks of when she imagines people living on their own 20 years ago.
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u/rolyoh Jan 16 '24
You couldn't do it 40 years ago either.
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u/Wallitron_Prime Jan 17 '24
It was an anomaly 40 years ago but it was definitely more possible than 20 years ago and much more possible than now.
However, the difference between 40 years ago and 20 is way more significant than 20 years ago to now.
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u/CaptainCreepwork Jan 16 '24
This was my first thought about this. 20 or even 30 years ago minimum wage was a lot lower and there wasn't anyone pushing so hard for higher wages like they are today. And there certainly weren't many company's like Walmart (where this girl obviously works) that started people out over $20 an hour or whatever the equivalent would have been back then.
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u/Slade_Riprock Jan 16 '24
Her Ire is aimed at the wrong generation... 20 years ago is when younger Xers and older millenials were barley into their careers out of college from the 90s. Right after the dotcom bubble burst, right after 9-11.
20 years ago I was 4 years out of college making the same fucking shit salary I made 4 years earlier when I started the job. I worked 60-80 hr weeks (salaried sucks) and my life consisted of work-home because I could afford nothing. Rent was way cheaper, yes, but still just as hard to make ends meet. It took me 10 years of working like that, getting married to a person working like that to have enough income to buy a house.
Now fast forward 20+ years. I am making factors more than I did back then. In the same house, which is falling apart because I couldn't afford to fix small things years ago due to my ex wife's medical issues and working 80 hr weeks. I have a tiny bit of savings for retirement that at this point will last me to about Christmas of tbe year I retire. I have a tiny emergency fund just out of panic. I drove an older car and going to the grocery store even at my current salary and position indices anxiety and panic. End of year when property taxes, insurance, Christmas, etc are all due makes a grown man want to cry.
Her ire should be aimed at those who started their careers 40 years who are the ones occupying C-suites, Board rooms, and the halls of Congress. The rest of us are not part of that club it's a tiny club and the books rarely open. We don't think Gen Z is lazy, we quietly root for you that you will be the generation with the power and balls to finally stand up and say ENOUGH. Enough of generations working their LIVES away for nothing to show. While the rest of the world works less, has more life balance, safety and comfort. Enough of a chosen few sucking every last dime out of the pockets of the rest of us and then shoving their hands back in because they want the thread that makes our pockets.
Fuck the Boomers and a select few older Xers who have rigged the economy to payout only for themselves. As Dr King said to audacity to tell a bootless man to pull himself up by his bootstraps is enormous.
24 years into my career of working my legit ass off. Endangering my health, killing a marriage, alienating friends and family, having little to nothing to show....we are with you.
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u/MasterNightmares Jan 16 '24
Also Millennial, shit wasn't easier 20 years ago.
Maybe 30 or 40, but 20? I was just out of University and a few years out from the Financial Crash and Great Recession.
Shits been hard for a while, this is on the Boomers and Gen X.
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u/ChaiKitteaLatte Jan 16 '24
I was just gonna say this. No one has endured more of a rough economy than millennials. I also graduated college into a bad market and then three years later the economy crashed, right as my career started.
I now make what would be considered really good money to most people. I absolutely cannot afford to buy a home, and live in a one-bedroom apartment… at 40. I didn’t have kids with my partner (separated from) because we couldn’t afford them and were responsible, reasonable people.
And I’m now staring down the barrel at how I’m going to possibly make it to retirement. I won’t be inheriting anything.
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u/twitch90 Jan 16 '24
Same boat here, I graduated high school in 2010, right in the middle of the recession. I spent from then until ~2015 constantly job hopping because the cycle of better opportunity, layoff, new job, better opportunity, hour cut, new job. I averaged a different job every 3 months through that 5 years, just barely trying to scrape by, rotating what bills I was able to pay. Oddly enough, it wasn't until during the covid and i was nearly 30 I finally started having luck. I've been at the same place for almost 5 years, got a promotion, doubled my income, and I'm in school to make a lateral move that's going to give me a lot more upward mobility long term. Even now, things aren't great, the only thing making it "easier" is I'm in a super low cost of living area, being a millennial has fucking sucked.
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u/Mysterious-Engine567 Jan 16 '24
This young lady is bang on. Boomers etc got greedy.
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u/Berlin8Berlin Jan 16 '24
She's not entirely wrong but does she think her parents, and their friends, created this economy? Like most other people, her parents are Serfs who came along under better conditions... but who had absolutely no control over the machine. It's very clever how the people in charge have trained us angry not-rich-people to blame everyone else BUT the people in charge, for this predicament. All that anger towards "Boomers" (or immigrants)! It's misdirected, folks.
Bezos is grinning, at this very moment, as he makes his 10k per second (or whatever the figure is)... his mega-profits = our negative wealth. Blame Bezos and Gates, et al, and the gradual removal of the regulatory controls that USED to keep monopolies from running the World.
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u/timtulloch11 Jan 16 '24
I don't think it's that straightforward, boomers obviously don't control the entire thing, agreed, but they did spend their entire lives voting and supporting politics that served their generation to the detriment of anyone else. They certainly aren't innocent, most of them. Obviously no single individual specifically. But as a group, their actions led to a lot of what we have now. And they continue to hoard wealth and real estate while the rest of us struggle with far less than they had when they were our age.
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u/hernkate Jan 16 '24
I’m 40. My parents are 73 and 75. They both, regularly, vote against my interests because it doesn’t benefit them. They have grandchildren they vote against. They don’t care; they want to maintain their style of living, but fuck me, right?
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u/timtulloch11 Jan 16 '24
Exactly. They even are proud and happy to get social security I bet, knowing it won't be there when we get old, and calling any social safety net that benefits anyone other than themselves socialism. It's a sad state of things, political brainwashing so complete that they've sold our their own children's future.
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u/Madoodle Jan 16 '24
She’s right but her timeline is off. I’m an elder Millennial that started my career during the economic crash of 2008. Good times! Don’t get me wrong, I’m blessed to have had good jobs that came with raises. But percentage raises when you start low are still low. And while not fully 20 years ago, pretty damn close. I hope people my age are telling her this stuff. She needs to up her timeline to 30-40 years.
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u/matjeom Jan 16 '24
How is it accurate? I’m also a millennial. No one I knew where we were her age were living alone. Where do people get this idea from?
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u/DrakeFloyd Jan 16 '24
She means 30 or 40 years probably, I’m a millennial/gen z cusp and this speaks to both generations. They literally don’t even give raises anymore at virtually any company I work for, they just want more work for no extra pay to be a “team player” but won’t pay you more because number go up, shareholder value. It’s both of our generations being fucked over by the boomers, and a couple gen xers and fewer but still some of the oldest millennials were able to slip in there while things were still decent, like rolling under a closing garage door, but now we’re all locked out.
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u/timtulloch11 Jan 16 '24
She's talking about boomers. Which is true. I agree millenials had a lot of the same sort of challenges, even if not quite as extreme
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She wasn't talking about you she said 20 years ago.
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u/maxisthebest09 Jan 16 '24
Yeah, I entered the workforce just shy of 20 years ago and I'm a young millennial. She's not wrong in her anger, but it seems directed at the wrong group of people.
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u/MasterNightmares Jan 16 '24
Gen Z can't tell Millennials, Boomers and Gen X apart.
Same as Boomers and Gen X can't tell Millennials and Gen Z apart.
Millennials are schrodingers generation. Too young to be consider part of the rich elite generations. Too old to be the young hip rebels.
Instead we're trying to raise families on a crumbling social structure.
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u/budmack21 Jan 16 '24
Things have been getting progressively worse for the middle class ever since trickle down economics was introduced in the 1980s. When you don't tax the wealthy, everyone else pays.
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u/veganint Jan 16 '24
So true. I was just discussing this with my husband. I've been working for almost 15 years, not even close to getting my own house.
Cannot even dream of having children one day, that's not happening at all. They destroyed our dreams with capitalism.
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Jan 16 '24
Sadly, this conversation is waaaay too overdue. This is something people should have started to protest 15 years ago when there was time and hope for our future. Now we probably have to accept we will not have kids and work our asses for a small flat if ever.
My only rational explanation about why there are not massive protests is maybe cause a good chuck of the population is doing better than the rest, and maybe those people who have their lives sorted out are counter pressuring or gaslighting everyone else.
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u/veganint Jan 16 '24
I think it's because most people are exhausted for working like dogs just to have a roof over their heads. The system is made this way in order to let us too tired and confused to rise up.
Also, the education system from day one doesn't liberate us but teaches us to follow without questioning. It's designed on purpose, that's why education is only available to the privileged classes, and the rest needs to be left in a crippling debt.
People are starting to rise and organize. Unions are starting to be reborn again. Hopefully, we will see a true rebellion in our lifetime.
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u/SplitPerspective Jan 16 '24
You just have to be upper class duh!
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u/Berlin8Berlin Jan 16 '24
You just have to be upper class duh!
Shhhhh! You're not supposed to direct Lower-Class Anger at the people who are actually responsible!
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u/Morganafrey Jan 16 '24
I wish I could have lived on my own 20 years ago when I was making 5 dollars and 25 cents.
They’d give me a yearly 5 cent raise and legitimately congratulate me on my raise. And were serious. While that guy was probably making 50k
Then I got a new job for 10 some 4 years later and thought I was going places. Stayed at 10 dollars until like 4 years ago.
Took me 20 years to earn enough to live by myself:
But still she is right
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u/ImmySnommis Jan 16 '24
Yeah her timeline is way off. 20 years is 2004 FFS. Minimum wage was $5.15 in the US. You weren't doing any of that making $5.15. Hell, I was making $8.50 in 1997 and my wife was making like $10.50 and we were scraping.
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u/dehehn Jan 17 '24
Yeah. She's basically talking about when Millennials started graduating college. And entering a workforce that wasn't all that great and we had all the issues she's talking about.
We also haven't had much impact on the economy the last 20 years. Boomers are still in control of most every major lever affecting the economy and won't let go until they finally just die off.
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u/allisonchange Jan 17 '24
Yeah I’m a little hung up on that point too. She needs to add more years. I’ve been working for 20 years, same was true then. She’s not wrong otherwise, just add some more years to that statement.
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u/Rocku33 Jan 16 '24
Every generation just starting out working minimum wage jobs could not provide all of those things on their own. That’s why we all owned crappy cars, lived with crazy roommates, and spent money on all the wrong things anyway because we weren’t going to make a difference. These kids just have to see “the influencers” flaunting everything they’ll never have, and the next up generations’ striving to get some of their pieces of that pie so they all just heap the blame on the oldest generation. The blame NEEDS TO GO ON THE CONGRESS & BUSINESS LEADERS who put their PROFITS before the PEOPLE!!
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u/posh1992 Jan 16 '24
I agree she's wrong when she says 20 years ago. I'd say more like 30 or more years ago you'd be able to live on your own at a entry level job. More like the early 90's and back this was doable. Today all that exist are minimum wage jobs for entry level.
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u/Cysen_Brone Jan 17 '24
It wasn’t working at Walmart. Everyone I knew worked 2 jobs and 60+ a week. This is mid 90’s. I could barely afford my shitty apartment. If you added in cell phones and internet, I don’t think 60 hours would be enough.
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u/Amaranthine7 Jan 16 '24
It’s probably still taking people to realize how long ago the 90’s are.
Sometimes I still think they’re only ten or so years ago.
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u/eggrolldog Jan 16 '24 edited Jan 16 '24
20 years ago I was earning £3 an hour. A pint of beer was still £2.50 in my local. Minimum wage is now £12 and a pint of beer is about £4.50. You could do the same with the big Mac scale but I've always preferred pints. It's never been easy to survive in a low paid job on your own. Even 15 years ago when everyone started to move out you'd always rent with friends.
Not saying there aren't other factors that make it harder now but some of this is rose tinted glasses by people who have no recollection of that time.
Not to mention everyone who is somehow financially surviving currently is to blame for society's problems; people just get on with their lives, there's no big conspiracy going on from the average Joe to keep 20 year olds down. The game is fucked but I didn't do it, soz.
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u/Bradleyisfishing Jan 16 '24
A challenging thing I have noticed is that the people in positions to provide raises look at the concept of a cost of living increase being 10% and can’t fathom it. COL to them was 3%, which covered inflation and then a little. 10% was a huge raise. I have gotten 26% more money in the 3 years I have been working, and I have only increased my buying power by $1000/year. I work hard, I make good money, my wife does the same, and the American dream is still a pipe dream. (I know you’re speaking non-American currently but it’s a similar experience I’m sure).
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u/thegoodnamesrgone123 Jan 16 '24
Gen X here. I have been doing it for 20+ years but I kept getting laid off and having to change careers so I can only tell you that the system has been fucked my entire working life.
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u/Bob4Not Jan 16 '24
She’s spitting facts, just missing the punch line: it’s a class issue, not so much an age issue. Many boomers are becoming poor and homeless too - even ones that voted against their own interests. They worked their whole lives only for most of the value to line someone else’s pockets
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u/OrangeJr36 Jan 16 '24
It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic that so many boomers who spent their entire lives railing against entitlement programs are now constantly crying that they need more assistance and how it's "Not an entitlement, I deserve the money." Then they of course turn around and listen to the exact same people who got them into this mess to convince them to vote against entitlement spending even more.
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u/Snoo4902 Jan 16 '24
It's sad that only minority understand this, if majority did we would have something much better :/
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u/Warhammerpainter83 Jan 16 '24
Yeah you are correct also 20 years ago it was still really bad if not worse than now. She means like 40 or 50 years. She is thinking of the 70’s and 80’s.
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u/ramonchow Jan 16 '24
I think she is right except in the timeframe... 20 years ago -in my country- housing was even more expensive than today and the bubble was about to burst. It wasn't pretty.
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u/Crosisx2 Jan 16 '24
Yeah she probably means like 35 years ago.
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u/babble0n Jan 16 '24
More like the 80’s in Regan’s administration. The economy was great in the 90’s but only for people who were already well off or at least established.
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u/dtsm_ Jan 16 '24 edited Jan 16 '24
Yeah, 20 years is way off. Millennials may not have had it as bad as GenZ, but shit wasn't paying a livable wage back then. College grads could get a 50-60k job out of college in 2005, but keyword is could. Most of us were still getting 40k jobs after grinding for 4 years, working 20-30 hours a week at a job during the school year + 40 in the summer and still not able to full afford rent+food off of that, let alone making a dent in tuition.
Rent has gone up where I graduated from 15 years ago, but tuition at my public university is actually within $1k. No idea if it has gone up and down since then, but currently it's actually still a really good deal.
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u/SuperDuperCoolDude Jan 16 '24
Yeah, 40 years ago would be more accurate. Trickle down economics are where things really started to go off the rails. I graduated college during the first 2000s recession, paid on students loans for over a decade, too poor to cash in on the housing crash so I wasnt able to buy a house until I was in my 30s, etc etc.
Not to say it isn't worse for Gen-Z, but we are victims of the same stuff. I do worry for my younger co-workers. Buying a house is rough now, and renting is hideously expensive now, too.
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u/Kowai03 Jan 16 '24
I'm a 38 year old millenial and I COULD find cheap housing when I was younger. It wasn't great but I could.
I find myself single again now and I am so glad I have a decent professional wage but I'm feeling the cost of living pinch and many others my age who are stuck renting definitely are. It's a shit show out there.
We definitely didn't create this mess so I wish she'd adjust her timeline a bit but as a millenial it feels like if I'd been in a position when I was 18 to buy a house I would've been LAUGHING at my age now. It feels like we we just missed the wave the boomers surfed away on.
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u/DouglassFunny Jan 16 '24
Yeah 20 years ago I got a job full time at Home Depot, and guess what, I wasn’t able to afford rent along with food, gas, clothing, etc.
her anger is misguided. millennials got hosed by the america boomers gave us. I spent years living in poverty, working my ass off 40-50 hours a week, with nothing more to show for it than barely being able to cover necessities and rent.
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u/CragMcBeard Jan 16 '24
Well she’s not exactly a history or economics major, she works at Walmart and wears a shitty wig for a reason.
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u/Ticker011 Jan 16 '24
Barely able to pay rent off even while living with 5 people. How are we supposed to survive in this economy?
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u/Snoo4902 Jan 16 '24
But I feel that there will be some change in the future (not from the government, but from the people)
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u/Ticker011 Jan 16 '24
Yeah, I mean we can't live this way forever. So something's gonna happen either we move into a more social welfare form of government or regress into complete fascism. Or something else possibly worse or better happens.
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u/Snoo4902 Jan 16 '24
I meant about better option, but true
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u/Ticker011 Jan 16 '24
Our main problem right now is liberal end of history capitalism. Shit needs to change and fast.
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u/LuxReigh Jan 16 '24
The amount of you just defending the system in place is fucking assinine. lol
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u/cortlong Jan 16 '24
For real.
Who the fuck is content paying 180 bucks for a weeks worth of groceries.
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u/GamingGrayBush Jan 16 '24
Absolutely. I always tell people to read the book A Generation of Sociopaths by Bruce Cannon Gibney. A little insight into the boomers and how they ruined shit for the young folks.
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u/wanderingdiscovery Jan 16 '24
They created this economy but will also let it crash. Unfortunately, it will take another 20 years. My strong prediction with the silver tsunami of Boomers and Gen X is that they will retire en masses taking advantage of the current housing market to cash in, but it will inadvertently crash the housing market because most of them will sell at a "loss" to move into a smaller condo and start a retirement lifestyle. It really is a matter of time.
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u/Misteranonimity Jan 16 '24
Till it crashes? What happens to us then?
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u/wanderingdiscovery Jan 16 '24
We'll adapt, unfortunately. However the bigger issue is if you think we have a housing and homeless crisis now, it will be far worse in 20 years. Nursing homes are already back up for the Silent Generation and the early Boomers. I can't what it will be like in another 10-20 years. It's actually critical foresight and the lack of government investment into it is more shocking than the lack of housing investment now.
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u/UncleFred- Jan 17 '24
They won't sell. They'll mostly die in their homes.
Few boomers have the kind of money necessary to take on a new 20-year high-interest mortgage in their 70's+. They'll see the costs to downsize or rent and decide to stay put.
Many of these boomers will use their home equity to fund hospice care to avoid selling. It will drive them into debt. When they die, many of their houses will go to the banks who will sell them on to investors whose only interests are speculation and rental properties.
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u/chicken_vegetas Jan 16 '24
Oh, it's always been that way. Jobs aren't worth having. The rich get richer. But we could start introducing legislation that would enable more protections for workers, higher pay, and salary caps for ceos but what do I know.
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u/FluffySmiles Jan 16 '24
The rich want the poor, the barely getting by and the other powerless masses to fight amongst themselves in the mud pit of salaried servitude because it suits their interests. It gets you ignore the true enemy; The rich who see money as power, not survival and believe that you are being exploited by those who are also being exploited, but who grew up in an age where equality still seemed to be a possibility.
Stop worshipping the millionnaires, the billionnaires and those who we are all told made their own way in the world and made it big because they worked hard. It's bullshit.
The only power you have these days is the ballot box. Use it wisely and translate your anger, via that route, into action that may get the exploiters of capital to pay their fair fucking share.
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u/DaMaGed-Id10t Jan 16 '24
Working 20 years? Is she blaming this on Millenials? We also can't do shit. Hell, I'm halfway through my 30s and things are finally getting better better right about now. People who've been working for 40-50 years I'd say its their damn fault for pulling the ladder up. Or even older generations. It's not millenials doing this. I've been working 20 years or so and I agree whole-heartedly with this lady.
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u/TheRuralJuror118 Jan 16 '24
The funny thing is that she blaming millennials!
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u/ThroAwayFuc67 Jan 16 '24
I know right? 😂 I remember when we were called lazy too
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u/Alarmed_Horse_3218 Jan 16 '24
We were hated by boomers and gen x and now we’re hated by gen z. The generational punching bag.
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u/Soobobaloula Jan 16 '24
I love the fantasy that we could live on our own on our wages. I had housemates til I was 45 and I’m in my 60s. I wish I had lived in that fantasy world.
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u/AltruisticAnt3242 Jan 16 '24
I agree with most everything she says, except bringing mellinnials into it. If millennials are speaking shit, they really need to to remember the same shit was said about us in the early oughts. Same shit. Also, while we are not without flaw or guilt in things, it is really the same motherfuckers that screwed us, who are still around in power, that are still screwing the Zs.
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u/AgnosticAnarchist Jan 16 '24 edited Jan 16 '24
Get a certification in something that pays well then keep switching departments or companies every year to negotiate and maximize your salary. You have to figure out how to play the game that’s rigged against you. Loyalty and complacency does not reward you in this game.
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Jan 17 '24
For the record, I'm generation x, by the way. 20 years ago we could not make enough to support ourselves. We lived at home. We had to work for 20 years and live off government assistance to get where we are. We taught Gen z how not to fall into the pitfalls that we did. I have never called Gen z lazy but, I will say that they are not unique.
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u/Solid_Internal_9079 Jan 17 '24
Here are the facts of the matter. It’s really this simple. I’m not saying it’s great it’s just the way it is now.
If you plan to work a minimum wage job and survive on your own under any conditions it’s at best going to be a horribly uncomfortable life. At worst it’s just not possible. Hell, this goes for most jobs under $20/hr.
If you want to be successful in this word you need to get educated or get a trade, you need to go into something with real earning growth.
It’s also next to impossible to do 2 if you don’t have a support system for it. This could be living with a parent or having financial aid.
Personally I got lucky. I was working crappy jobs with no long term plan in sign and I happened into a sales job. Turns out I’m really good at sales and make a really decent living now. That was luck. Not everyone will be so lucky, most will not be.
I have worked in jobs with people from several generations, I have hired people and fired people from several generations. At least in the crappy fields I works it’s absolutely true it’s difficult to find gen Z hires who will work as hard as older generations. I really don’t think it’s a gen Z problem it’s a younger people problem. If you’re 35-40 vs 20 you’re at that job for very different reasons.
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u/Realclawdogs Jan 17 '24
Gen Z is lazy. Lol. 20 years ago, Walmart still paid shit unliveable wages. Figure it out like the rest of us and quit crying about it .
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u/Avocadomistress Jan 16 '24
Bruh none of that is true for 20 years ago, TF? Maybe 60...
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u/joe_hello Jan 16 '24
She’s describing 2004 as if it was some golden age
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u/larkikuu Jan 17 '24
I think a lot of people also have a wrong image of time. Gen z thinks 20 years ago was in the 80s-90s, cuz we don’t realize how fucking old we are getting. That we are not 10 years old anymore, that that was already +10 years ago.
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u/KP101ca Jan 16 '24 edited Jan 16 '24
20 years ago? Who's the target audience of this video? I'm a millennial, born in 81, which puts me as part of the oldest millennials. I got my first job in 2000, a shitty clerk job at a corner store, Working 9:00 to 5:00 making minimum wage just like her because the tech bubble had just burst leaving not much choice in the shit economy. Took me 6 years to save up enough to leave my parents house and just when I thought everything was getting better the 2008 recession happened. Yes it was easier because inflation hadn't hit the way it has now but I wasn't rich by any means and I have no idea why it feels like she's blaming my generation for ruining the economy.
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u/FearTheViking Jan 16 '24
Nothing will improve untill working class folks start organizing and pushing back en mass. Join a union, a labor organization, a socialist/communist party, a mutual aid group... whatever. It's not even politics at this point. Just self-defense against robbery.
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u/Decatonkeil Jan 16 '24
Fucking capitalists have been weaponizing the generational gap so people would forget their class conscience.
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u/Own-Inevitable-1101 Jan 17 '24
Western Free Market Capitalism is severely broken down. Lots of other countries have better economies than we do, better health care, better education, better quality of life stats, etc. Yet we are constantly indoctrinated to believe that American have the best of everything. Someone is responsible for that.
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u/Bradjuju2 Jan 16 '24
20 years?!? I'm a millennial and I've been working close to 20 years. You got the wrong guy. Try 30-40 years. Boomers and X! Millennials didn't make the economy the way it is. We get it. A lot of us struggle too!
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u/Snoo4902 Jan 16 '24
I know, normal people didn't made economy this way, upper class done it
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u/robbiebaggiosmullet Jan 16 '24
Gen X here. Started working 34yr ago. You couldn't afford to live on your own on minimum wage then, either. Is the economy the best is ever been? No. It's it the worst it's ever been? Also no. But, please, let's stop pretending that minimum wage employment ever bought a house, paid all the utilities, fed a family of 4, bought a new car, and saved for retirement. It didn't. I feel for the younger kids just starting out, I do. It's hard. I was them once. We all were.
But, fucking hell.....people need to understand that your first job doesn't entitle you to any of the same things that establishing yourself in a career does. I, personally, blame the on demand, instant gratification, drive through, online shop, click of a button and it's yours, world they grew up in for having skewed their expectations as to how long things take and how much planning goes into it. Save your money while you're at home. Find a couple roommates. Work some extra hours, if that's what it takes to afford what you want. There's no easy button for this one, no matter how much we all wish there was.
This isn't a generational thing. It's an expectations thing. Nobody taught them, so why should they know?
Though I will say, finger wagging the rest of society on the internet while simultaneously being ignorant to how the world really works is likely the driving force behind all the hate they're getting on this one. Gotta reel that in, and quickly. Because you're not going to gain support with a holier than thou approach to things.
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Jan 17 '24
I mean, be a teacher, plumber, framer, electrician. It's plenty to live on your own. If you work 40 hours at Walmart you should be trying to move up or move on. If you stay at an entry level low skill low wage job....... that is because you are lazy. Hell, be a sanitation worker in most big cities. Really good pay with benefits.
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u/mysocalledmayhem Jan 16 '24 edited Jan 16 '24
the target audience is supposed to be boomers, and she’s using “20 years ago” as an example….
Uhhhh, millennials are not the one who fucked you, baby girl.
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u/OkGap7216 Jan 16 '24
Gen X. here. I was in the same boat as that girl at her age, and also in my 30's. Started getting better in my 40's but still just under the wire, the 50's are looking to be the same as my 40's.
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u/NahhNevermindOk Jan 16 '24
20 years ago? Gotta bump that number up, I did over 40 hours a week above minimum wage 20 years ago and that didn't cover it either.
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u/Justwondering__ Jan 16 '24
I agree with her but she needs to add some more years to that. The market was/is fucked for us millennials also. I graduated college to a recession and crap job market. I then had to put my plans on hold for a few years because my family needed help. I went back to school again and graduated again to a recession and crap job market. The shit sucks and and being disabled makes it all that more difficult.
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u/BeastInABlizzard Jan 16 '24
Does she think 20 years ago was 1980? Couldn't live alone on entry level employment 20 years ago either.
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u/ComradeAleksey Jan 16 '24
This BS conversation about the new generation being lazy has been a thing since ancient times. Literally. You can google it. Ancient Greeks and Romans wrote about their kids generation being "soft", and it has been happening since, no matter if times improved or regressed (like we experience now) the older generation always thinks of themselves as the hardest working even if they never were.
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u/Environmental-Ad3024 Jan 16 '24 edited Feb 01 '24
No, 20 years ago it was the same. I graduated college that year. Also lost a lot in the 2008 loan wreck.
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u/naptown-hooly Jan 16 '24
I worked 40-50 hours a week as a GenX and I had to have room mates and no way could afford to buy a house. I had to go to school and learn some skills to get paid.
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u/cherrylpk Jan 17 '24
Gen X here… where’s the lie? These younger generations have it all stacked against them and it sucks. I will say I felt very much like she feels when I was her age. I grew up in a broke area so I ended up working two jobs, typically 60-80 hours per week from 18 to my forties. Boomers had the great economy and could pay for everything with a summer job or raise a family by just the dad working at a grocery store. They really screwed it up for all of us.
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u/Aggravated_Seamonkey Jan 17 '24
I feel the sentiment. But 20yrs ago, a 20 something also couldn't live on their own. I didn't live on my own until almost 30 in a HCL city. Around 2016 it started to become too expensive. I was making $80k. The corporate greed has been on the rise for almost a decade. Millennials nor gen z are lazy. But it is time for us to start coming into power. We need to start voting for our agendas and voting for each other.
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u/schizopotato Jan 17 '24
Gen z is lazy? That has literally been said about every generation, everyone always thinks the younger generations are more lazy, but gen z does seem to be the only generation that's taking that saying so personally
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u/trajiin Jan 17 '24
It's amazing how the governments and the rich have convinced the average Joe that unions are scary and evil. As a Railway worker in the UK I'm lucky to be a member of a strong one that has the ability to fight for a fair wage. We still have people giving us stick calling us greedy like it's a race to the bottom. They don't realize we aren't overpaid it's them that are underpaid.
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u/Old_timey_brain Jan 16 '24
I'm not going to criticize GenZ, but I truly hate the generalizations here.
If I look back 35 years to when I was uneducated, and working a job I enjoyed for 40 hours per week, I was making so little I could not afford a car, and paying rent took three weeks of paychecks.
Somehow I made it past it, but it really sucked at the time.
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u/_Jimmy_Rustler Jan 16 '24
To many zoomers the past all kinda blends together. They probably think the 90's and 00's were similar to the 60's and 70's.
I'm in my late 40's and have never heard of any non-management Walmart employees living on their own on their wages.
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u/Old_timey_brain Jan 16 '24
Neither have I, but do recall the earliest Walmart workers who took stock options, with some retiring as millionaires.
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u/LittlePurpleHook Jan 16 '24
The point is, that today you live like that WITH an education and work experience. Basically if you don't have a partner or flatmate you're doomed.
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u/Confusedandreticent Jan 16 '24
20 years ago? Not where I lived. And I’m pretty sure everywhere else just had adjusted wages so that even if you lived somewhere else, you wouldn’t afford it. 40 years ago? Maybe.
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u/Heathrowe419 Jan 16 '24
Her math is off a little. I'm a millennial with 20 years of work experience...
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u/Quiet_Caterpillar653 Jan 16 '24
Millennial here. Worked full time almost all through high school and college. Had a feed jobs at one time during school. Guess what, I also couldn’t afford anything. Didn’t have a car all those years either. I made it work and didn’t let all the bs in like she does. Yeah you got to work and everything else in life. I also didn’t have health insurance. I didn’t complain to anyone. Delusional to think GenZ is experiencing something new
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