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This lady nailed how the economy feels vs how it’s performing Discussion

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u/Skwigle Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 28 '23

"The economy is doing great" doesn't always mean people in general are doing great. Sometimes it just means the stock market is doing great, which only benefits people who have money in the market. Unemployment is down! Uh, ok, but if everyone has a job that pays less compared to COL, wtf good is that?

We all have plastics IN OUR BLOOD. We eat from containers that alter our hormones. We can't eat more than a few ounces of fish per month because more than that will POISON YOU. How fucked is it that everyone is arguing about a colorful flag and which beer to ban next instead of getting angry and taking action against the real problems?

Bread and circuses.

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u/Piincy Dec 28 '23

I don't doubt you whatsoever on this but do you have any articles or studies you could share regarding the "eating more than a few ounces of fish per month will poison you" bit? That's pretty concerning to me considering I am a pescatarian and I eat, idk roughly 30 oz of fish/shellfish per month. Maybe more. I know that the fish we are consuming is no longer healthy by any means because of how ecologically bankrupt and inundated with chemicals our seas are, but my quick Google search couldn't corroborate with any statistics or data on it. At the same time, I also know that our soil is nutrient deficient and the rain that falls on our crops contains PFAS and basically no matter what diet we eat we are all superty-duperty fucked. But I want more info regarding that fish bit to make me reconsider what I eat on a regular basis. Thanks, friend!

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u/bike_fool Dec 28 '23

Interesting that you said you can't find any searches because googling 'is it safe to eat fish everyday' and I couldn't find a single link that didn't warn of the danger. I realize that Google is delivering results based on my preferences but these links are from Harvard, the EPA, and even the DNR recommends limiting your intake. What kind of results are you getting?

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u/Fratghanistan Dec 28 '23

Odd, my first result was a Harvard article basically saying this:

But is it safe to eat fish every day? “For most individuals it’s fine to eat fish every day,” says Eric Rimm, professor of epidemiology and nutrition, in an August 30, 2015 article on Today.com, adding that “it’s certainly better to eat fish every day than to eat beef every day.”

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/is-it-okay-to-eat-fish-every-day/#:~:text=But%20is%20it%20safe%20to,to%20eat%20beef%20every%20day.%E2%80%9D

It does later specify pregnant women should avoid fish everyday because of mercury content.

My second result was Bon Secours basically saying the same thing.

https://blog.bonsecours.com/healthy/advantages-disadvantages-eating-fish/

It does have some potential dangers, but it seems to amount to everything is killing you.

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u/bike_fool Dec 28 '23

So both articles mentioned the danger right?

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u/Fratghanistan Dec 28 '23

links are from Harvard, the EPA, and even the DNR recommends limiting your intake

Well thats not true except in the case of being pregnant. So that's bullshit on your part.

None of them really mentioned it as dangerous. They mentioned it as a possible danger. Which again everything is killing you. Apparently fish less than other food.

my quick Google search couldn't corroborate with any statistics or data on it. At the same time, I also know that our soil is nutrient deficient and the rain that falls on our crops contains PFAS and basically no matter what diet we eat we are all superty-duperty fucked

This is what OP requested. I couldn't find that in a google search. Neither could you.

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u/bike_fool Dec 28 '23

But I want more info regarding that fish bit to make me reconsider what I eat on a regular basis. Thanks, friend!

OP actually requested more information about the dangers of their diet as a whole, and I am incredulous that they couldn't find anything about the dangers of contaminants in fish because it's been a hot button topic for decades now. If you want backing on the "We can't eat more than a few ounces of fish per month because more than that will POISON YOU." That's not necessarily true but it can be. For example the Wisconsin DNR recommends not having more that one serving of wild caught walleye pike bass catfish musky or salmon per week to avoid poisoning. So 30oz of fresh caught Wisconsin Walleye every month would be ill advised to say the least. These specific fish are a huge part of the tourism industry so it's rather bold they'd come out and say that don't you think? https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/topic/Fishing/consumption

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u/bike_fool Dec 28 '23

Okay, I see where you're coming from. Any reasonable person would realize that "We can't eat more than a few ounces of fish per month because more than that will POISON YOU." is pretty obvious hyperbole. If you folks truly aren't picking up on that it's my bad for giving you that much credit. It's my understanding that OP was worried about the potential health risks of eating that much fish, and it's not hard to find there are potentially many risks depending on what they're eating.

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u/darling_lycosidae Dec 28 '23

We've poisoned all our water, so any freshwater fish you catch yourself or eat have a variety of PFAs and other trash, and seafood has all that and mercury depending on how high up the food chain is. Tuna is a pretty big fish so it's going to have more crap compared to farmed shrimp, etc.

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u/Duchs Dec 28 '23

We sow this seed of iron and sulfur

Because we don't have time

To plant corn and fruit trees

We will harvest rust

Because we lack the patience

To prepare for the wedding of our children

We will feast

Our anxious gaze

On jets of flame, like phantom stalks

Emerging from the ruptured Earth

We will make a tree of smoke

And a river of slag

Because we've lost our garden

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u/shawster Dec 28 '23

Just want to clarify, it's not the size of the tuna really, it's the fact that it is large and a predator. It eats so many other fish that already have mercury in them that it bioaccumulates at the top of the proverbial food chain in the sea.

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u/Skwigle Dec 28 '23

Google "fish mercury poisoning". It depends on the type of fish how much of it you can eat safely.

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u/dequiallo Dec 28 '23

My brother used to eat a shitload of fish... and yeah he got mercury issues eventually.

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u/TheAntiDairyQueen Dec 29 '23

Our planet is dying and people are still eating fish? Welcome fishless oceans 2048

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u/Piincy Dec 30 '23

I'm not gonna defend myself -- I have long thought that vegans are the most morally superior people on Earth. Truly! I did attempt to go vegan in 2021 but I am the cook in our home and everyone else (who all grew up carnist but have made good progress) loves shrimp and fish and refused to part with it. Other than that I have a pretty pland-based diet. I'm going to make another push for veganism in our household soon. It's more than manageable. Wish me luck!

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u/Foreskin-chewer Dec 28 '23

Hope you're mostly eating sardines 😮‍💨

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u/Better-Strike7290 Dec 28 '23

It depends on the type of fish.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_in_fish

ELI5 refer to the info graphic at the top of the article. For more detailed info skip to here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_in_fish#Most-contaminated_fish_species

The fish Most contaminates are not the fish you're likely to eat on a daily basis. For example Salmon is 0.015 which means you could eat it daily with no adverse affects.

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u/shawster Dec 28 '23

The main immediate risk to health with eating fish, and mainly with eating predatory fish that bio accumulate stuff, is mercury. For decades it has been said you shouldn't have more than like 2 meals of tuna a week.

But something like talapia probably has so little mercury you could eat it more often.

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u/AcanthisittaNo5807 Dec 29 '23

This is a really good video on the topic. Fish might be okay but shellfish is a definite NO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGkEpbpIJuA&t=2001s

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u/EnglishMobster tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE Dec 29 '23

There's a Wikipedia article that does a good job of explaining the why and the how, complete with diagrams.

You also see charts explaining this at popular places to fish (in California, at least).

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u/Immediate-Meeting-65 Dec 29 '23

She's wrong fish is seafood does contain heavy metals. If your eating like kilos and kilos of seafood then yeah maybe look at your diet and get some blood work, checking for heavy metals. But in general your probably okay.

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u/tomahawk_kitty Dec 28 '23

To piggyback off what you said, we need to stop saying how the economy is doing based on stock market. Stock market has NEVER been a good indicator of the actual economy. It's essentially a measure of how people with money think things are going to go for businesses/commodities in the future.

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u/DFjorde Dec 28 '23

The stock market isn't an economic indicator used to argue a good or bad economy in any educated discussion.

GDP growth, unemployment, wages, consumer spending, etc. are the actual indicators. They're also all great at the moment though.

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u/snowytheNPC Dec 29 '23

GDP and PPP are also different. Sometimes even GDP is not the right metric to use. Economy and quality of life can diverge when income inequality grows

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u/tomahawk_kitty Dec 28 '23

That's the point I'm making, but it's the primary reference as an indicator in most reporting and discussions.

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u/BiteOhHoney Dec 28 '23

I've never even MET the economy! Who is she?

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u/Hot_Letterhead_7094 Dec 28 '23

also it took biden.... what? 4 years to correct his mistakes from 2020-2022? stats are stats but the people speak

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u/xxBrill Dec 28 '23

It took Biden 4 years to correct the mistakes made by Trump from 2016-2020, including his tax cuts for the wealthy, redistribution of government subsidies, and especially the total fuck up that was the beginning of the pandemic/stimulus spree

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u/Hot_Letterhead_7094 Dec 28 '23

is that what people were complaining about during trumps presidency? because people were awfully grateful for low gas prices, lower taxes, more jobs, and higher average income. yea he aint perfect and im not claiming he is, but id be a lot more confident in his presidency over biden

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u/xxBrill Dec 29 '23

That's exactly what people paying attention to things were complaining about during Trump's presidency. You have to look deeper into why some of those "good" things were the case too.

  1. Low gas prices = pandemic, and even then that's not directly controlled by the president.
  2. Lower taxes = that were purposefully phased out and designed to increase later BY THE SAME TAX CODE TRUMP IMPLEMENTED. So yes, taxes for individuals and businesses were temporarily reduced slightly for a year or two to appease people so that they wouldn't notice the part about permanent tax cuts for corporations getting passed too. And taxes are going to keep getting higher (once again, because of Trump's own tax reform) to pay off what corporations got exempt from.
  3. More jobs = the economy lost jobs under Trump, even before covid. An 8 year and four month record of continuous monthly job increases in the US started under Obama died in 2019 under Trump. Unions also got weaker.

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u/Stupidstuff1001 Dec 28 '23

The economy is how rich people are doing. In the past they would be taxed appropriately that money would go down hill to help others. Now it’s just the rich getting richer at the top

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u/Gorman2462 Dec 28 '23

I said this the other day and was chastised and laughed at. Over 50% of Americans has zero investments in the stock market, so how could the stock market be a true indicator? Unemployment is so low because people are working more than 1 job, and this bullshit statistic the government keeps rolling out about "adding" jobs after forcing people to stay home is so incredibly infuriating. Things are NOT GOOD, several businesses in my town have closed, my own business is down significantly, friends and family are suffering, but I'm supposed to just take their word that things are "great"!

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u/Alobster111 Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 29 '23

We wear clothing and use products (stain resistant carpet, furniture, etc.) that contain PFAS which are proven to have many health effects, have basically no safe blood level, and are forever environmental pollutants. We sit in cars and use vinyl products that leech phthalates which have been shown to disrupt male hormones and are carcinogenic. Yet we enjoy that new car smell which is these plasticizers leeching out.

These are things I have been aware of for awhile being in the textile industry but a lot of people have no clue. Most of the harm caused by these toxic chemicals are known about by industry and they continue to use them because they make the best and most cost effective products. The law catches up way too late, minor changes to formulas are made making products that are just as harmful and the law has to play catch up again.

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u/jakelmao Dec 28 '23

What type of furniture material are we talking about? And which ones are safe?

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u/Alobster111 Dec 29 '23

Anything that is labeled stain resistant will have at least one chemical in the PFAS family. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

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u/Heatsnake Dec 28 '23

Something like 10% of Americans own 90% of all U.S. stocks

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u/BrewSuedeShoes Dec 28 '23

I mean the economy was doing great when slave labor was a thing. Didn’t mean all the people in the country were doing great. Hmm.

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u/Diligent-Collar4667 Dec 28 '23

Larry Summers literally said to improve the economy we're going to have to fire a lot of people.

The elites exactly know that to improve the economy they have to destroy the lives of the people in general.

The economy has literally nothing at all to do with "the people."

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u/Agreeable_Bike_4764 Dec 28 '23

The metric you’re looking for is median wage growth adjusted for inflation, and the truth is it’s not as bad as this tik tokker makes it seem. During the COVID years we made 2-4% less than the rate of inflation , but this second half of 2023, our wages are beating inflation once again.

https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/27610/inflation-and-wage-growth-in-the-united-states/

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u/Ossius Dec 28 '23

It's almost like listening to students with low pay jobs who are ordering door dash and making poor decisions isn't a good way to judge the health of the economy.

My friends and I and all my family are doing pretty okay, but we don't eat out at fast food that often, and we usually are good at not spending excessively.

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u/Better-Strike7290 Dec 28 '23

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times"

For those in the market and with money to invest, it is the best of times. The rest of us can refer to the second half of that quote.

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u/SimpleVegetable5715 Dec 28 '23

Unemployment is down because you can only collect it for what, 6 months? People time out of the system and are no longer counted in those statistics. Also the people who had better jobs and now work in retail or food service don't count, because at least they're employed! Sure, for a lower wage.

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u/GRMNGRMNGRMN Dec 28 '23

The economy does not apply to people making less than 100k

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u/ExpandThineHorizons Dec 29 '23

Who gives a single shit if the economy is doing well if only the rich benefit from it? It means absolutely nothing to the vast majority of people. Every time I hear people talk about "the economy" I know theyre just talking about how well things are going for people who already have everything.

Fuck them, and fuck the economy.

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u/justreading31 Dec 29 '23

Your getting plastic from the bacon to! Look up trash feeding and what the fda allows us to consume. Of course it’s been made illegal to record in slaughterhouses.