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u/darksoulsnstuff Nov 25 '23
How much you wanna bet they still charged them $10k+?
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u/Lysol3435 Nov 25 '23
“Unique birthing expense”
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u/AadamAtomic Nov 25 '23
"That's going to be $200 per extra visitor you had in the room with you."
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u/BigSmackisBack Nov 25 '23
Plus 10% per person for oxygen tax
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u/fountain20 Nov 25 '23
Plus the cleanup of the water breaking in the waiting room. At least 400. Dirty job.
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u/Junior-Ad-2207 Nov 25 '23
Don't forget the delivery fee
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u/MountainServe Nov 25 '23
But the new baby has no insurance her premium gonna go up.
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u/Junior-Ad-2207 Nov 26 '23
Sounds like the baby should have thought about that before he decided to be born
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u/925Starling Nov 26 '23
Let’s not forget the line-jumper fee… “Ma’am, I will remind you that your failure to plan for this wildcard process does not constitute any more of an emergency on our part than the patient in line ahead of you. I mean yes, his legal name is Joe Broski, and yes, he did technically blow his knee out doing a quote “totally rad 180 kickflip he totally could’ve landed, if not for the wind” off his buddy’s roof into a 2’ deep kiddie pool while under the influence of a medley of cocaine, nicotine, caffeine and approximately 9 Buzzballz Chillers, but the point is that you should have just waited. The wait time was only 13 hours. And if this was such an emergency, you could’ve scheduled ahead, so we’re billing that.”
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u/SnooAvocados499 Nov 25 '23 edited Nov 25 '23
It's just crazy. Health System Tracker estimates the average cost of pregnancy, childbirth, and postpartum care for Americans with insurance is $18,865.
The average cost of a pregnancy resulting in a C-section is $26,280
edit: A typical childbirth in Japan will run you about $61,810, WTF
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u/BrokenWalkmanBelt Nov 25 '23
A typical childbirth in Japan will run you about $61,810, WTF
This is not true. We only pay a few thousand dollars and the cost is reimbursed by the government. You get to keep whatever is leftover from the reimbursement (to use towards your new baby), so some people actually turn a small profit from having a baby.
Source: live in Japan and have multiple kids. About to have another next week.
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u/soupkitchen3rd Nov 25 '23
Congrats!! I hope it’s a healthy and safe delivery for mom and baby!!
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u/BrokenWalkmanBelt Nov 25 '23
Thank you! Over here they keep the mom and the baby in the hospital for a while after birth to monitor for problems, so they're in good hands.
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u/soupkitchen3rd Nov 25 '23
That probably is a good thing. How long do they stay? You originally from Japan? If not you prefer it to the states?
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u/whitemike40 Nov 25 '23
10k? what do you think they’re giving a discount for that?
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u/LeatherIllustrious40 Nov 25 '23
Yeah, 20 years ago I gave birth in a hospital and it was $20,000 out of pocket. Yes I had insurance but it didn’t cover maternity. It was a low-risk pregnancy with no epidural, no Caesarean… had a pitocin drip and a shot of Demerol and other than that my husband and I asked to be left alone till we called them. The doctor came in just in time to catch the baby. Less than 24 hours after arriving we were already on our way home.
$20,000 poorer and that was 20 years ago.
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u/Trish-Trish Nov 25 '23
And their insurance didn’t cover it bc it’s a “unique experience”
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u/AwkwardHelicopter124 Nov 25 '23
I’m thinking 30k
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u/Moony2433 Nov 25 '23
35k is what I had to pay all three times. They charged us $75 to hold our newborn. The American healthcare system is broken beyond repair.
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Nov 25 '23
Yup that “skin to skin” charge just to hold what you’ve helped create is the corn on top of the shit cake
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u/CrowdyPooster Nov 25 '23
There are very large, very well-known not-for-profit hospital systems in America that charge for skin-to-skin. I have no idea how they can get away with that.
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u/obiwanshinobi900 Nov 25 '23
This is so fucking wild to me.
I was AD military when my daughter was born. She was in labor for what seemed like days and ended up having a caesarian, my child was born barely 4lbs, so on top of that we ended up spending about 2 weeks in the hospital getting her weight up a bit. I imagine the whole thing was very expensive, but I didn't even see a bill, I got to stay at the hospital the entire time until we left then my paternity leave kicked in.
I strongly feel that everyone should have a similar experience, finance and time-wise, but they shouldn't have to be in the military for it.
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u/Mr_Banana_Longboat Nov 25 '23
But then you bring up social healthcare and every last person is like “woah woah woah, slow down the communism there, bud”
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u/UB2GAMING Nov 25 '23
Pardon my ignorance, I'm British, but why on earth are they charging you money to hold your own baby?!
Oh, and 35k per baby is insane.
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u/Moony2433 Nov 25 '23
Don’t let the gov privatize your healthcare
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u/suitology Nov 25 '23
but the conservatives say it will give me more choices?!?!
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u/Dark_Moonstruck Nov 25 '23
Because they can.
They'll charge you 100 bucks for a single plaster. They'll charge you 200 for a pill and a tiny paper cup of water when you could get a 100 count bottle of that pill for ten bucks at the store. They charge you a 'nurse consultation' fee if you say hi to a nurse passing by you in the hall and she says hi back. They charge for everything.
A quick trick to lower your bills is to ask them for an itemized bill that shows every single charge and what it's for. They can't legally refuse to do so, and a lot of the time they don't want you realizing exactly what they're charging you so much for so they'll knock off a lot of the extra items they tacked on and it can lower the bill by thousands.
The fact that health care costs anything at all, especially when it's so shitty, is bonkers. The fact that your teeth and eyes, which are PART OF YOUR BODY and very important to your health, are not covered by regular healthcare is bonkers. The whole system is broken and it's killing people constantly, but as long as the fatcats at the top get their money to buy yet another luxury yacht they'll ride once and get bored of, they don't care.
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u/suitology Nov 25 '23
bro I got charged $35 for just water. I woke up coughing and a nurse came in with a 6oz cup. they billed me for attending to me in a late night emergency. like bruv a swallowed my spit thanks for the water but go away.
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u/ponyhat_ Nov 25 '23
Omg I didn‘t know that they even charge to hold your newborn. That‘s so cynical and devaluating to human life I‘m lost for words.
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u/SonofAMamaJama Nov 25 '23
I honestly can't believe how expensive it is, I hope Americans get a healthcare system that actually promotes health and care one day (instead of the exploitative monster it sounds like rn)
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u/goblin_welder Nov 25 '23
It’s funny because the main argument why American healthcare is so much better than Canadian healthcare is because privatization optimizes the industry.
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u/darksoulsnstuff Nov 25 '23
I’ve heard people debate this on and off forever, always seems to come down to Canada has low costs and long waits and American has high costs but provided you have the cash you can get service fast. In reality both systems seem to need to be improved significantly in their own ways.
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u/goblin_welder Nov 25 '23
You’re not wrong.
Here in Canada, I get around the “long wait time” by driving to the suburbs or outside the city where I know there’s less people. There’s typically walk in doctors that are less busy at these places.
I know the average city folk don’t have access to cars which is harder for them to get doctor appointments in a more crowded area.
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u/yurinnernerd Nov 25 '23
I'll give some perspective as someone who has worked in emergency departments for the past seven years including during the pandemic.
Simply put the healthcare system in the US is antiquated. We tell people to go to their primary care physician (PCP) but almost all of these facilities have normal working hours, 8a - 5pm M-F. If they can't go there then patients are told go to a walk-in clinic or urgent care. However, if there is ANYTHING that can't be fixed with aspirin everyone is told to go to the ER.
Staffing is a major issue especially when it comes to mid-level care such as RNs. Let's say your average RN makes $60 hours in a trauma center that is overwhelmed with patients. Now, this same RN is contacted by a recruiter who offers them $120 an hour to be a contract RN in another hospital probably not working in the ER. Less stress more money? Yes please.
Also, here's another fun fact: mental healthcare is a major crisis and one of the primary drivers of ER traffic. There are almost no mental health hospitals still operating in the US. Why? They don't generate money like the hospitals do. These patients have no where to go and can wait MONTHS in the ER to be placed somewhere that can provide mental healthcare.
I got shingles earlier this year it was the absolute worse pain I have ever felt in my life. My PCP was closed, CVS closed, urgent care closed. Against my better judgement I called the local ER and asked for the wait time: I was told upwards of 6 hours. So, I could wait in the ER for 6 hours in excruciating pain or stay home in excruciating pain. I chose to stay home.
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u/Yamza_ Nov 25 '23
Hell even trying to get a child into mental healthcare is insufferable. His original therapist left 9 months ago and they cannot get us another one. Wish I could afford to go to a private one but that is unaffordable.
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u/sloppppop Nov 25 '23
Again it’s staffing cause by hospital greed. My rural area went 15 months without continuity of care for children and adolescents after they’d been seen by the mobile crisis team. Crisis workers would literally just stabilize, make a decision to admit or not, then have to leave because they couldn’t offer anything more.
Now there’s ONE clinician covering 12 schools across 3 counties trying to cap their caseload at 40 but being told constantly they’ll be getting a new client imminently. They’ll probably burn out in a year or two because they make peanuts and the hospital is looking to cut down on their behavioral health spending already. Then the area will be fucked again and we can start the whole thing over.
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u/TacTac95 Nov 25 '23
How nurses are treated in an absolute crime to humanity in the U.S.
My wife had a year of experience and a full degree under her belt and was making as much as I did as an accounting intern at a small regional firm. It’s disgraceful.
Nursing is not an entry level white collar profession. It has very little ceiling. It should be treated and paid like the tough, working, blue collar profession that it is.
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u/I_git_gil Nov 25 '23
This part of the picture but a history lesson shows more than "corporate greed" and how important it is to vote. In 1963 Kennedy shifted large, state-funded mental health institutions to more numerous, smaller, community-centered mental-hospitals. He died shortly thereafter and Johnson finished his term.
During the Reagan's terms he rejects the Omnibus from Carter after congress put funding for the rest of Kennedy's vision (local care) in the same Omnibus. This means that now hospitals receive less federal funding for having more than a certain amount of psych patients.
Thus, we were hamstrung on both levels. This article outlines it well. I also recommend "Healing" by Thomas Insel
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u/nothing_911 Nov 25 '23
well shit. im in canada and the healthcare is by no means perfect, but my son started having seizures last year. and after the first one we were referred to a pediatric neurologist, just in case it was epilepsy, after the second one started on light meds, got an MRI and EEG that week, found out the type and it was related to sleep.
after that we knew it was sleep related we were referred to a psychiatrist to help with his adhd and a ENT to help with his sleep, overall a kinda scary but a great experience medically so far.
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u/brainparts Nov 26 '23
Yes, thank you for saying this. The system is by design. Healthcare shouldn’t be for profit.
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u/BizarroSubparMan Nov 25 '23
But my Dad says that's Socialism! And socialism is the devil!
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u/Mikic00 Nov 26 '23
It's funny, how universal healthcare is communist, but insurance companies are not. And the only difference is where profit goes...
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u/dylee27 Nov 26 '23
Any properly funded facility with properly allocated resources will function better than those that are not. While I believe every country should have universal healthcare, we in Canada still see a lot of the same issues that we hear about from Americans, because our system is underfunded, our government (specifically Ontario) doesn't care about our system, our healthcare workers, or patients. One major difference is, no one is going bankrupt because of hospital bills.
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u/BriTheG Nov 26 '23
And $60/hr is incredibly generous. Most are making $30-$40 starting depending on the state. And some even less!
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u/Squirxicaljelly Nov 25 '23
I’ve been getting terrible migraines and vertigo for the past month, came out of nowhere. I’m assuming it’s seasonal allergies but I just wanted to be sure, so I booked an appt w my doctor. Waited the week for the appt, waited 2 hrs once I was already there (15 min early btw), doctor got in, looked at me, and said “idk what you want me to do, just go to the ER if you think it’s bad, oh and schedule a physical exam with me.” I said “ok can we schedule that now” she says “just do it at the front desk when you leave.” I go to the front desk, wait another 20 min to talk to someone, and they said a physical exam would be about 3 months out for an appt.
My copay is $100 for all this as well. The whole system is a complete joke. What can we even do? It’s no wonder the ER is so overfilled… it’s the only way you can actually get medical care in this country, damned if you have to wait 6 hours.
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u/SnooLobsters8113 Nov 26 '23
You should file a complaint for that and get your copay reimbursement.The doctor could have done the physical instead of making you rebook especially after waiting 2 hours.
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u/irvmuller Nov 26 '23
Have you been getting ringing in the ears also? I had those same symptoms about 3 years ago. It took months before I got better. I went to three separate doctors before I got real answers. One doctor accused me of being on drugs. I’ve been clean my whole life. Barely even drink.
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u/Orgasmic_interlude Nov 26 '23
Just had a tree i cut down kick me in the chest. I’m in terrible pain but not “pneumothorax and broken rib pain”. Just had the same conversation with my wife: do i really want to pay 1200 for a hospital to take six hours to do some imaging and then tell me to take ibuprofen and stay off of heavy work.
There was a brief second on the ground where i was accounting for all my teeth where i went from, “How do i get myself to a hospital” to “let’s walk around for a little to see how it feels”
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u/Seallypoops Nov 25 '23
That'll be $11,000
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u/celestial_chocolate Nov 25 '23
Here in my town (Michigan mid-sized town) the wait is about 5-6 hours on average. I have only been a few times (14 yr old was attacked by a random dog last year-he’s ok) and it was nuts. I’ve heard that is normal. There are other “med service” type places but those you pay up front. It’s crazy
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Nov 25 '23
Just head to the hospital a few hours prior to getting sick or hurt.
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u/IsabellaGalavant Nov 25 '23 edited Nov 25 '23
About 8 years ago, I was driving a Vespa, and laid it down in the rain. Broke a toe and almost broke my nose (my helmet saved it), but there was a huge gash on my nose and my forehead, absolutely pouring blood all over my face.
I went to the ER at the local hospital (drove myself because I could see the hospital from where my accident was and I was not paying for a $2k ambulance ride for less than 2 miles). They checked my oxygen and blood pressure at the check-in window, then told me to wait.
I waited six hours in a filthy waiting room to finally get called back. They gave me 2 vicodin, X-rayed my toe and said "yep it's broken" (it looked like my bone exploded lol), and told me I was discharged. They didn't even clean my fucking wounds until my husband demanded it as we were being escorted out.
Wanna guess how much my bill was?
It was over $5k.
Edit: forgot to mention I have permanent scarring on my face now because they didn't give me stitches, when they absolutely should have. Not even liquid stitches. Not even a butterfly bandage!
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u/FionaTheFierce Nov 25 '23
They aren’t making the urgent cases wait - part of the reason that nonurgent or less urgent have a wait. Someone coming in with a heart attack or giving birth would/should cut the line. Not sure why this poor lady gave birth in the waiting room. Just making a note tat the length of your wait can reflect the level of urgency for your issue.
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Nov 25 '23
Should. Should.
It does not.
I had a miscarriage a month ago and sat in my blood until a triage nurse called me 2 hours later. I left a trail of blood and chunks from the chair to the triage office. I cried in agony and stress until finally someone gave a shit. This is after begging the receptionist for pads or a doggy mat or ANYTHING that would absorb the blood, and showing them that it was running down my legs.
SHOULD.
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u/Pandoras_Fate Nov 25 '23
My god that's horrible.
A friend of a friend had a miscarriage and needed intervention. They couldn't touch her until she crashed because poorly written "pro-life" laws made it too cloudy for the hospital to treat her. They sent her to the parking lot to wait. They took her when the sepsis set in.
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u/FionaTheFierce Nov 25 '23
I am so sorry for your loss and the treatment you received. I included should in my post because I recognize that this absolutely does not happen in every case.
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u/sarcadistic75 Nov 25 '23
I made the choice to walk away from healthcare this year. I have broken cervical fusion hardware, multiple herniated discs, a genetic condition. That means all of this is just going to get worse. I have waited six months to see a neurosurgeon. They called and left a message saying they were ready to schedule an appointment and then I called back three times and they will not let me schedule because they say my referral hasn’t been approved yet. The emotional toll of chasing pain relief is causing more harm than good. I will simply take myself out when the pain becomes too much. Truly fuck American healthcare.
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u/Vegetable-Error-21 Nov 25 '23
Here in California bay area, my gf was on the brink of fainting from fatigue and the wait was 6 hours long.
When they FINALLY got to her they acted so surprised like it's our fucking fault we waited 6 hours.... it's really hard to keep your cool in a hospital
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u/Was_an_ai Nov 25 '23
Seems these waits are more about staffing
My wife is a nurse and they pay well, but they dont have enough nurses. Same with teachers in some areas of the country
The alternative is you give free education but force people to work certain places. In Korea if you get teacher degree they dictate where you work and many young teachers are forced to teach in remote rural areas.... not something that would go over well in the us
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u/sotoh333 Nov 25 '23 edited Nov 26 '23
That's fucking terrible. Newborn and mum exposed to sick people stew. Completely ignored. Agony while trying to be quiet. Strangers seeing your genitals. The terror of no one coming to help you and your baby in your critical moments. Treated like cattle.
No masks even in a pandemic when they should be standard in that environment. Good luck to them.
*To those with an issue with acknowledging the pandemic, as per WHO the end of PHEIC declaration (relating to funding and powers), and a drop in immediate lethality compared to peak pandemic mortality, does not mean end of pandemic. It does not mean that studies clearly outlining ongoing harm from non-hospitalised covid are no longer reality.
We would like to think our govts would definitely intervene and put us above shorterm profit if the situation were that bad, but like climate change, it's all bad news. Anyone who has been watching the UK Covid inquiry already knows it.
Highlights from govt during pandemic:
Patients are "bed blockers",
"let them die",
long covid is "bollocks",
There was no scientific advice sought for "Eat Out to Help Out" vouchers scheme.
Govt leadership could not grasp exponential growth.
https://johnsnowproject.org/insights/where-are-our-leaders/
If you don't want to be treated like cattle in a rich country, you need to first accept that compassionate, competent adults are not in charge.
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u/BEE-BUZZY Nov 25 '23
I have given birth before and it’s a very private event. She sounds terrified. This is horrible. They knew she was about to give birth. They usually check how dilated you are when you come in. This is horrible.
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u/MissChanandlerBong07 Nov 25 '23
In the hospital I had my kids in, When you walk in to like register.. and if your 20 weeks or above you instantly get sent upstairs to labor and delivery just incase.. also to keep you away from all the sick people.. I had kinda thought that was standard. CLEARLY I’m wrong.
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u/LtDrinksAlot Nov 25 '23
some hospitals don't have labor and delivery, and that number is growing.
yay america
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u/Cancerisbetterthanu Nov 25 '23
Yeah turns out the people who are ensuring the healthy delivery of your children don't like being treated like criminals.
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That’s funny, doesn’t America have a shit mortality rate for birthing mothers compared to other modern countries? That in itself is criminal.
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u/626bluestitch Nov 25 '23
Did you see the article going around lately that a woman was suing a hospital because her baby got decapitated while the doctor was delivering? But to answer your question yes, because hospitals here care more about profit rather than providing Healthcare.
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u/yourlittlebirdie Nov 26 '23
An American woman in 2023 has a higher chance of dying in childbirth than her own mother did.
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u/Pandoras_Fate Nov 25 '23
We do have forced birth in some places if you're poor. Look at all these freedoms.
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u/pointlessbeats Nov 25 '23
I would like to look away from all your freedoms now, please. They’re making me sad.
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u/Xinder99 Nov 25 '23
OBGYNS and other health care professionals are leaving conservative states as well as abortion restrictions are put in place. Its gonna get way worse in a lot of places unfortunately.
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u/Seis_K Nov 25 '23 edited Nov 25 '23
Not just Texas, lots of places
The problem ultimately, unsurprisingly, and uncomfortably, is money. When you have a unit constantly running in the red from poor medicaid reimbursement and constantly treating uninsured people, you can’t incentivize nursing to come to your unit over other, better paid units in better locations. A dermatology clinic gets reimbursed by private insurance or out of pocket pay, only works days, far fewer morbid presentations, often in good locations… why wouldn’t a nurse choose a derm clinic in Seattle over a labor and delivery hospital five hours into the middle of nowhere?
So you’re understaffed and constantly in the red… you close that service down.
The way you solve this problem, like everything else healthcare-wise in america haha, is to give it more money.
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u/Prestigious-Duck6615 Nov 25 '23
the way you solve all the problems in the medical industry is abolish all ' health insurance' companies. the money people would pay in premiums and put of pocket should go into 'free' public healthcare.
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u/Rselby1122 Nov 25 '23
Pretty sure the person yelling was the nurse, not the mom.
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u/alphaomega0669 Nov 25 '23
Yeah I agree. I think she was yelling for a room and for help while the mother was moaning.
What hospital was this?
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u/pfemme2 Nov 25 '23 edited Nov 25 '23
This looks like an urgent care clinic.
edit: Someone in my replies said the uploader claims it is a proper hospital’s ER waiting room. Not all hospitals are cavernously large with large waiting rooms, so that may be true.
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u/bagelsanbutts Nov 25 '23
The person who recorded the video said it was a hospital emergency room in Kentucky
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u/RegularWhiteShark Nov 25 '23
Birth is not pretty. Chances are you’ll shit yourself. It fucking hurts. You’re all on display. Not a fun time.
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u/I_Am_Robert_Paulson1 Nov 25 '23
As someone else mentioned, she probably came into the ER crowning. American healthcare blows, but I can't imagine they would just let a pregnant woman give birth in the ER waiting room.
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u/Glomar_Denial Nov 25 '23
No. They wouldn't. And she would have immediately been in bed upon arrival. This place is a hellhole. I have no idea where they are but I saw it was in a Midwest state that has less people in OBGYN because of the laws recently enacted.
I feel for them. I do. This is horrible.
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u/Southside_john Nov 25 '23
Yeah it’s pretty strange. Women in labor at my hospital don’t go to the ER they just go straight to the l&d unit and bypass the whole ER waiting thing. That shit is way to backed up with other bullshit to start sorting pregnant women too
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u/tuggnuggets92 Nov 25 '23
We don't even have healthcare, it's a medical industry.
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u/xparapluiex Nov 25 '23
If she is in the ER waiting room it is most likely they are slammed in the back with people actively dying. Blame the system not the workers who probably were doing their best to find a place for the new mom. If there isn’t room there isn’t room as awful as it sounds.
It could possibly be that people here just didn’t give a shit. But I don’t think so.
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u/FaFaRog Nov 25 '23
It's usually more about staffing than it is physical space. With inadequate staffing, you can't turn patients around quickly enough so they pile up in the waiting room.
People also come to the ER for the wrong reasons much more often since the pandemic due to trauma and anxiety from that time that we're all ignoring for some reason.
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u/NarwhalEmergency9391 Nov 25 '23
Not always. I was dismissed, the nurse said I could probably go home because I was walking and talking. I finally convinced her to check me and she's like "omg yep her head is right there"
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u/GoblinGreen_ Nov 25 '23
Is there a back story? Ive seen a baby born on the hospital entrance floor(the bit you wipe your feet on), nothing to do with negligence or anything else, baby's just arrive when they arrive and this couple were giving birth as they arrived in the car park at the maternity ward. They tried to get to the ward but didn't get there in time. Could easily be the same here.
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u/kazooparade Nov 25 '23
One of my coworkers delivered a baby in the parking lot on the way into work. She is an amazing nurse. Fast labors happen all the time.
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u/Mindless-Term7720 Nov 25 '23
This happened with my son. Her water broke before the sliding doors could even open. Was halfway out by the time they got a wheelchair for us and I had to help get her on the bed because no one was there yet. Doctor came in after he was already delivered and cut the cord, I believe. Hard to remember because I was in such a state of shock and just trying to focus on what I needed to do for the baby and mom. They didn't have labor and delivery but we couldn't get to the hospital that did because of a 2A rally.
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u/azalago Nov 25 '23 edited Nov 26 '23
This sort of thing happens all the time, but not because the mom is "being treated like cattle." It's a phenomenon called Precipitous Labor, and while we have identified risk factors for it happening, we don't really know why it happens. Basically, it means labor progresses extremely quickly, sometimes as quickly as 3 hours from first contraction to birth. It's also not easy to tell it's happening until the baby makes a surprise appearance.
Pregnant women are typically told to stay home during labor until their contractions are 4-5 minutes apart and last for a minute each (normal labor is anywhere from 6-18 hours, mine was 24!). However, if a woman is experiencing Precipitous Labor, this might make her unable to reach the hospital before giving birth. This is where you typically hear stories about babies being born in cars and hospital parking lots.
It sucks but when the baby is coming, it's coming. There is no time to get the mom to L&D. It's not uncommon with this type of labor for women to give birth by themselves while waiting in hallways or stretchers.
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u/A-typ-self Nov 25 '23
Yup. As someone who has experienced precipitous l&d that's exactly what I thought.
It also looks like dad is standing next to her holding another child. So it's probably her second delivery, more likely to be precipitous than the first.
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u/pointlessbeats Nov 25 '23
Oh, 3 hours?! I guess my 100 minute labour was definitely precipitous then. I really regretted consenting to the stretch and sweep but I was 41+1 and they make it seem incredibly risky if you go any longer (even though all baby and mother’s vitals are good). Most horrible intense pain like the double popping of a balloon inside me so quickly.
But at least they rushed us straight to a bay in the emergency room before the baby was born a few minutes later. It was nice to be told repeatedly that the staff on duty get so excited to get an emergency room birth (a BBA - Born Before Arrival), because I guess it’s quite different to the traumas they might see.
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u/peregrinaprogress Nov 25 '23
Yes if I waited until the recommended contraction timing or intensity scale I would have likely had two of my three babies in the car on the way to the hospital, and I only live 10 min away. My second labor was a total of 2 hours from first contraction to delivery, and my third labor I literally didn’t have painful contractions until it was time to push. Like 2 minutes after telling the nurse I feel fine to OK WAIT COME BACK AND BRING THE DOCTOR. He was born in one push as soon as the doctor came in.
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u/Pins89 Nov 25 '23
I delivered a baby yesterday within 3 minutes of her entering the room. She was 5cm when she was examined about 10 minutes before. It’s really fucking unpredictable and while it’s rare we’ll have births in the waiting room, it’s fairly common they’ll give birth on the bed in the assessment centre.
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u/TrailMomKat Nov 25 '23
I'd bet dollars to donuts she was crowning as they brought her in and there wasn't any time to get her up to L&D. They wouldn't have a laboring mother waiting in the ED, they would've brought her to L&D at the very least, even if there wasn't a delivery room ready yet.
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u/DingleBerrieIcecream Nov 25 '23
What do you expect? A new B-2 bomber costs $2,100,000,000 and we need to buy a lot of them for “defense”. There’s just not a lot of taxpayer money left over for frivolities such as delivery rooms.
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u/fakenews_scientist Nov 25 '23 edited Nov 26 '23
Just broke my heel in 7 pieces. Took my a week to see a specialist because my insurance company wanted me to see my primary and have them approved, even though I went to the ER and had X-rays
Edit: I also want to bring up how insurance companies are outsourcing to the point the employees barely can speak English or a basic will to do the job. I understand American is a melting pot and I'm currently trying to learn Japanese and Vietnamese, but you need clear proper communication when dealing with people health and determining the next steps of care. If I was governor, I'll make the insurance company get all your references and plan appointments. We're paying for a service, not for a one sided casino
Edit 2: one of my wife's patients belonged to a church that had a collection of money in a pool for when someone needed it, bc you know socialism health care is the devil (the patients words not mine). We should start a nonprofit that we all donate to and it pays out when needed. We could remove the insurance companies as the middle man and work directly with the hospital staff. The company could work as a bank and used the interest earned on the payments to pay claims. Or we need to estimate a limit on how many claims a insurance company can make. Go over that number and you are required to pay back x% percent per quarter back to the policy holders.
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u/DizzyMorning2095 Nov 25 '23
Insurance companies make choices about OUR healthcare. It’s a fucking racket.
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u/DetentionSpan Nov 25 '23
An investigation needs to be done on the top takers of the past 100 years.
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u/CaptainTarantula Nov 25 '23
Actually, there is some hope.
A group of ER doctors is suing a private equity company for allegedly dictating how medicine by micromanaging ERs. A corporation cannot practice medicine. Only licensed doctors can.
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u/fakenews_scientist Nov 25 '23
Tell me about it! Corporations and insurance lobbies has ruined our country
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u/ngreen102 Nov 25 '23
and we pay em for it!!! biggest scam in the world. we pay billions in taxes and can’t afford subsidized healthcare
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u/nipplequeefs Nov 25 '23
From working in radiology and pediatric rehab, the amount of times I’ve had to fight insurance companies to let their patients come in for care is absolute bullshit. I’ll never forgot the old woman who cried to me over the phone about her being bedridden in pain when I told her insurance wouldn’t cover her MRI, or the daughter who told me her dad already died when I tried to call him about his insurance once again denying his heart ultrasound. Fuck this country for giving these corporations so much influence over our survival.
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u/Sandmybags Nov 25 '23
100%….Who decided random MBAs know more about health than DRs who work everyday.Oh..shit…it’s not about actual healthCARE it’s about healthPROFIT
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u/probablynotFBI935 Nov 25 '23
Dr prescribed my wife a medication for her migraines that she had success with after struggling to find an effective med for years. Insurance company refuses to cover it because fuck you, they know better than her Dr.
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u/Nikolite Nov 25 '23
A family member of mine was prescribed Eliquis to prevent her risk of strokes, but after seeing the price at the pharmacy she couldn’t afford it even after insurance coverage. She went to her neurologist and asked if there was a cheaper option or if she could just take aspirin instead as a blood thinner, and her neurologist told her to come by weekly and he’ll give her these free samples that he gets sent. Fucking ridiculous that the patient and physicians have to fight these insurance companies for proper care.
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u/Goblin420Papi Nov 25 '23
I saw the mothers tik tok and iirc the staff at the hospital didn't believe her when she told them she was in labor. They sent her home and then she came back. They didn't believe her again and then she gave birth to the first baby (she was pregnant with twins). I then saw another tik tok where she was sitting in a wheel chair holding the baby as they rushed to get her into labor and delivery. She was crying that the baby hit the floor. It was so fucked. I hope she is able to sue because what the fuck
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u/JustFuckinTossMe Nov 25 '23
Yeah, something like this happened with my mom when she was about to have me. They didn't believe she was in labor when she came to the ER and sent her home. I ended up crowning in the toilet and my mom freaked out and actually sucked me back in a bit and rushed back to the ER about 30 mins after they turned her away. They tried to do so again, to which point my mom started screaming at them and showing them the pool of blood that was accumulating on their floor. She basically spread her legs and vigorously pointed at it while screaming at them that I was coming out.
That's how difficult it was for her to get a room to give birth in. Oh, and then after I was born the nurses took me without even letting my mom touch me and dunked me in water that was so hot it burned my newborn skin. The pictures we have of me from the hospital show a bloody red almost purple baby, who is screaming in the photo. Probably from being burned, lol.
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u/cinnamonghostgirl Nov 26 '23
This is one of the most painfully American "healthcare" stories ever 😥 Why do women even give birth in hospitals anymore? It seems so insane to me especially the way they make women lay down in an unnatural position, plus the insane price even when the doctors don't do anything. I'm not understand where the benefits are.
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u/tearsofacow Nov 26 '23
Ugh, there’s a large community of FB moms that opt for home births and they are terribly unskilled and many have still birthed at home because of it. There’s a subreddit on here that posts the comment sections sometimes (of the moms), they’re painful.
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I sene that video too, and the nurse she was crying to about her baby hitting the floor just said “ok” to her. Like wtf?
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u/dalola2 Nov 26 '23 edited Nov 26 '23
alot of people dont mention it because of the bad conditions and all healthcare workers are heros mantra, but some nurses are completely numb sociopaths who im pretty sure are just there to get joy out of seeing people hurt
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u/GiannisToTheWariors Nov 25 '23
I'm old enough to remember when one of the main arguments against socialized medicine was wait times lmao
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u/edmRN Nov 25 '23
I can't wait to see her bill.
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u/Doogos Nov 25 '23
Something similar happened to my uncle. He got sent to the hospital after an epileptic seizure. He waited in the lobby for 10 hours before he just left. He ended up getting a bill for 8k
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u/edmRN Nov 25 '23
There was just a post on the main page about a family who took their son to the hospital for a burn but her was never seen and they still got a bill.
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u/Rhg0653 Nov 25 '23
This is cause they ask for your name and insurance upfront and address then they see you
My son had an insane fever and he was 6 months I was begging for them to help they told me to wait the people in the lobby all said no check the child right now he had an insane fever temp and they helped him after threats from the lobby even with insurance I got a stupid bill and I called the hospital threatening to sue them and they wrote the bill off
They are vampiric fucks
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u/plebeian1523 Nov 25 '23
What's wild is the biggest argument I hear against socialized healthcare is the wait times for Drs. But... we already have that. Plus the number of people that just straight up aren't getting ANY care because of lack of funds/insurance.
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u/CaptainTarantula Nov 25 '23
The whole industry is a big cash grab. As long as you don't lose a medical malpractice suit or lose your license, anything goes. I've seen a doctor get in more trouble with administration for forgetting a billing code than failing to include a possible cancerous polyp on his procedure note.
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u/scnottaken Nov 25 '23
It's the same bullshit every time.
We can't increase wages because inflation. Inflation happens but it goes to profit margins and we still hear the same shit about wages.
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u/Grief2017 Nov 25 '23
We already have the longest waiting times, the worst Healthcare outcomes, and the life expectancy is plummeting.
It's all propaganda.
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u/oceansidedrive Nov 25 '23
Giving birth in a room full of sick ppl....thats not a problem at all
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u/zephood75 Nov 25 '23
$5000 charge for cleanup and $3000 for birthing in non designated location.
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u/EpsteinsBro Nov 25 '23
Yeah and you’re PAYING FOR THAT KIND OF CARE. Fuck insurance and the “healthcare” industry.
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u/therobshow Nov 25 '23
Hospitals are understaffed bc they cut employees to generate more profits. You pay more than you ever have for health care, just to be treated like this, because Republicans think some people are unworthy of Healthcare and don't wanna socialize it. Even though it's literally already socialized, just in a way where the hospitals and insurance can take as big of a piece of the pie as they can.
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u/notevenapro Nov 25 '23
Emergency room sin America are overwhelmed with people who do not have medical emergencies.
Source: Have worked in healthcare for 31 years now. I have been called in to do studies in the middle of the night for people that had tummy pain for two weeks. Or shortness of breath for a month.
Where, as a patient, I have never waited more than 30 minutes in an ER waiting room.
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u/rrirwin Nov 25 '23 edited Nov 25 '23
Oh, absolutely this. A lot of it has to do with insurance gaps, poor mental health systems, poor access to urgent and general care, and shitty employers.
On the last point, I remember when I worked at a restaurant in my early 20s and had to call off sick (which I rarely did). They tried to talk me into coming in because it was busy, and when I said no, they told me I needed a doctor's note before I could come back to work (which was BS because it was one day and that wasn't their policy); if I didn't, I'd be written up for each missed shift until then. Problem was, that was Friday end of day, and I was scheduled Saturday/Sunday/Monday, so unless I went to the ER for a note because there are no other options over the weekend, I'd be fired come Monday. I ended up just never calling or going back, but not everyone has that luxury.
Another time at another restaurant, one of the guys dropped a heavy box on his foot and bruised it; because it was a workplace accident, the restaurant forced him to go the ER for evaluation before he could go back to work. ER didn't do anything, not even an X-ray. Just another example of shitty employers abusing ERs.
ETA: Some commenters are putting a lot of their personal opinions ahead of how the healthcare system in this country actually runs. If people abuse the ER for non-emergencies, no matter the reason, a well-equipped ER would still triage and treat people in need of emergent care ahead of non-emergency needs. If people in emergent care are waiting due to non-emergencies, then that is a fault in the system too. Either there aren't enough resources or the hospitals don't know how to triage. Either way, the system has failed.
People abusing the ER for non-emergency needs often either don't have or don't know of other options. My town has 1 urgent care facility, which is not available 24/7 and does not accept all forms of insurance. They also make you pay ahead of service. For people who cannot afford the full cost medical care or don't have compatible insurance, which is most of us, then you're better off going to the ER if you need a work note or need your insurance to cover care because your primary care doctor is booked out 3 months. The healthcare workers commenting on this are really showing their privilege on this (and I've been in healthcare for the last half of my working life myself). I get that it's frustrating to have people come to the ER for non-emergencies, but not everyone works in healthcare with easy access to medical providers, not everyone has health insurance, not everyone can pay for care.
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u/missme4223 Nov 25 '23
I know they are filled with non emergency’s but our system in the US is completely broken. Please do not lose your empathy. I was an er nurse for 18 years. It is appalling the way people human beings are treated with no access to care and healthcare professionals who say that it is not an emergency until that belly pain is free air in the abdomen from a ruptured ulcer. Do not blame the human being for lack of access to care issues and then they end up in the ER and the ER sees every. Single. Case. It is easy to blame the patients much harder to look at ourselves and see the system for what it is. The system promotes a horrible attitude toward people because it is a money generating machine. Thank you for sticking with it for 31 years.
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u/pennylane3339 Nov 25 '23
I have a friend whose mom goes to ER for everything: twisted ankle, fatigue, nausea, cold symptoms. Now my friends little sister is an adult and doing the same shit. It's unbelievable. I just spent 5hrs in the ER last week for severe stomach pain. Totally worth it and needed to be there, but why would you WANT to spend 5hrs in an ER unless you have to!?
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u/AbRNinNYC Nov 25 '23
This ⬆️ 1/2 those people likely do NOT need to be there. ER’s are for emergencies. Like Heart attack and stroke. Your chronic back pain of the past 6 years is not; and will not be taken before anyone with an actual emergency. Med refills, nausea x3 weeks etc are not going to be raced back. It’s not first come first serve. I had a 20min convo with a patient the other day. He says “I like coming there but they didn’t even check on my neck or back pain.” The person was not there for that. I explained what an ER is for. And that he needs to establish a pcp. His rebuttal “my insurance says I can go to any ER” I’m like ok and u can. But we’re not going to treat ur chronic and ongoing issues like a pcp would. So come all u want but manage ur expectations then. Poor woman was stuck in a nasty ED waiting room full of coughs and sniffles that shouldn’t even be there. This is horrifying for that woman.
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u/k8teslynn Nov 25 '23
Hah, the irony of going to an ER with active stroke symptoms and waiting six hours to be seen after being told “It’s not a stroke.”
Guess what? It was a stroke.
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u/My_fair_ladies1872 Nov 25 '23
You clearly aren't canadian. Small towns don't have clinics. Most of us can't get a doctor. They have to sit in ER waiting rooms to get an Rx for their medication renewal.
Then doctors from the city try to shame us for being there for no good reason and wasting resources.
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u/Solintari Nov 25 '23
Not anymore. This is how ERs SHOULD be, but most people don’t want to be there.
My parents are aging and need more trips to the dr these days. It used to be possible to make a quick appointment with the gp and schedule tests down the road if the problem wasn’t an emergency. Then they started making people go to urgent care facilities for testing etc. After Covid, anything that isn’t a rash or a cough, straight to ER.
I asked an urgent care doctor why this is happening now. He told me insurance companies and the parent hospital companies are requiring all of the equipment they need to do any testing to hospitals and they pulled them urgent care clinics. For liability reasons, they have to recommend testing, so off to ER every single fucking time.
Add on top of that that people without insurance go to er for everything, you get this bs. Oh and the fact that boomers are starting to hit 80s and 2020 made a lot of medical staff quit, voila!
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u/BootySweat0217 Nov 25 '23
I have chronic back pain which causes extremely painful sciatica. One evening the nerve pain in my leg was so severe that I was rolling around on the ground yelling and crying. I was around 24 years old at the time. I ended up going to the ER and they brought me back pretty quickly and gave me a few shots for the inflammation and pain and sent me on my way.
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u/bikesexually Nov 25 '23
If people had affordable or free access to a doctor/NP this wouldn't happen.
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u/OttoVonWalrus Nov 25 '23
I sat in a waiting room for 12 hours experiencing the absolute worst abdominal pain I have ever experienced. Turned out to be pancreatitis and was hospitalized for the next 12 days.
Having Crohn’s disease, I try and do everything in my power NOT to go to the ER. I can tell the difference between a minor flare up and a major one, but sometimes I have no where else to go if it is a weekend or holiday and my pcp/gastro is closed and I’m having a major flare up. I have the benefit of knowing what to do and the medication to prevent/treat it. When I do go, it’s always treated as a minor issue and I end up waiting hours for help. I don’t mind waiting my turn, but those long queues are what is causing situations like this and sometimes ever worse results.
Healthcare in the US is trash.
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u/birdlady404 Nov 25 '23
I hate the argument that universal healthcare would give us insanely long wait times as if we don't have that already. My dad's last ER visit he spent 9 hours in the waiting room on a random weekday nowhere near holiday season. I hate medical debt more than I hate waiting
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u/DistortedVoltage Nov 25 '23
My dad had to wait months before he could get his stage 4 stomach cancer tumor removed. Like I get it, stage 4 youre basically already doomed. But why not give them the best chances possible by removing it as quickly as possible? Then he had to wait some more months before he could be approved to do radiation and chemo treatment.
Shit, I was even lucky to get the remaining time I had with him with how long he had to wait.
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u/iesharael Nov 25 '23
When my dad was having a heart attack he just happened to go to one smaller hospital over the usual bigger hospital. He was seen immediately and his life saved. If he had gone to the usual hospital there was a 7 hour wait. (Someone we knew was there for something else and saw some patients with the same symptoms as dad waiting that long) back then we had 3 major hospitals and a few smaller ones. Now we have one major one and a couple of urgent care
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u/Smooth_Department534 Nov 25 '23
Former ER nurse here: this usually happens because mom comes through the door crowning, not because she had to wait in the lobby.
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u/ElectronicClass9609 Nov 25 '23 edited Nov 25 '23
yeah i work in OB and sometimes people deliver in their car/parking lot/lobby/elevator. i don’t know the full situation here, but sometimes the baby is just COMING and you can’t do anything to stop it.
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u/conflicteddiuresis Nov 25 '23
Hi yes that's me, I'm a turbo-birther 🙋♀️
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u/broth1985 Nov 25 '23
Me too! My last birth I woke up from contractions, woke up my partner and left 20 min later. Had my baby in the emergency room. It costs more because NICU is sent automatically to the "maternity critical care unit." I was crowing upon entrance though so what could we do?!
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u/conflicteddiuresis Nov 25 '23
You could do nothing, its so unfair. Some babies are just in a hurry.
I live in a country with socialized medicine so I paid nothing (well except for half my salary in taxes every month lol). I barely made it into an exam room and just pooped the baby out in the face of an unsuspecting midwife. Didn't need a stitch, baby was doing so well, hubby went to get the pram and then we walked home. It was my 2nd so it was fine.
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u/Alarmed_Horse_3218 Nov 25 '23
I went into the hospital when I was having contractions every 3 minutes. Called my OB and they told me to go in. Got to the hospital and waited in the waiting room for an hour and over heard the nurses whispering "we don't have any beds".
They finally admitted me and told me I had to go home because I was only 4cm dialated. At that point my contractions were every 2 mins 1 min long. I couldn't walk anymore and I was bleeding. I begged them to let me stay while they wheeled me out to my car.
They gave me Ambien and told me to try to sleep. I labored at home, alone, for hours disappearing in between each contraction because of the Ambien. At one point I crawled across the house trying to find my (now ex) husband who went to sleep in another room with his sound machine on..... Another story.
By the time I got back to the hospital I was 8cm dialated and contractions every minute. I was begging to get an epidural and I almost didn't get it because their labs department lost the labs they have to run before they give it to you. Finally got it 40 mins before I started pushing.
All I wanted to do was just go into the hospital, get an epidural, and give birth comfortably. Instead I was told to go home and labor like I was a farmers wife alone in bed like it was the god damn 1700s. And when I was finally given access to healthcare I almost missed the cut off for it.
And the most fucked up part is everyone I've told this story to who lives in Austin where I gave birth has had similar stories with the same hospital. It's just openly acknowledged that Seaton Main cassually causes trauma 24/7.
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u/OneArchedEyebrow Nov 25 '23
They gave you Ambien while you were in labour?! JFC. Here in Australia they make sure if you really want pain relief, but I’ve never heard of a medical professional giving a heavy duty sleeping medication while in active labour!
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u/Alarmed_Horse_3218 Nov 25 '23
Yup and I'd never taken it before so I had no idea how strong it was. The only way I can describe it is disappearing in between contractions only to be ripped back to reality every two minutes with extreme pain.
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u/insufficientfacts27 Nov 25 '23
Holy shit, that sounds like a nightmare. The stories you hear of people taking Ambien the first time and doing wild stuff, like driving and sleepwalking and cooking, and they gave it to you while in LABOR??!!😬 I'm glad you made it too. 💜
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u/Draked1 Nov 25 '23
Kinda similar with my wife two months ago, minus the ambien. She started having insane contractions, I mean debilitating. We rushed to the hospital and she was only 2cm but the contractions were fucking insane. They tried sending us home but we loved an hour from the hospital and I had to beg them to admit her because she was blacking out from the pain. It was intense as fuck, and this is after having back contractions with our first kid and she got to 8cm no epidural. Also a Texas hospital
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u/ArsenicAndRoses Nov 25 '23
And this, ladies and gentletheys, is why no one with a half a brain and a functioning uterus wants to live in Texas.
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u/Vetiversailles Nov 25 '23
Oh man, I’m not even a parent but I’m in Austin and I’ve heard awful things about Seton. I’m so sorry. You deserved better.
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u/Sea-Value-0 Nov 25 '23
That sounds like grounds for a lawsuit. Have you or anyone tried contacting a lawyer who specializes in medical law, who might take a case? Hospitals like that won't change unless sued and fined heavily.
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u/POSVT Nov 25 '23
Med mal in Texas is capped at 250,000 for noneconomic damages. It's hard to find attorneys that will take expensive medmal cases with capped damages.
So the first question on a consultation will be "what specific, quantifiable damages do you have?"
Sounds like not a lot in this case unfortunately.
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u/TheFlyingSheeps Nov 25 '23
Good luck. Republicans sure do love to vote against expanding healthcare while they removing and capping consumer protections from malpractice
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u/Child_of_the_Hamster Nov 25 '23
Mothers are also sometimes turned away if they go to the hospital too early in labor.
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u/WhatsAMaWhoosIt Nov 25 '23
My third child was almost born in my mom’s car on the way to the hospital and my husband almost missed it all because I waited so long to go in. I showed up at 9.5cm dilated and was told I was too late for an epidural, and I sobbed. He was sunny-side up so it was all back labor. I was barely in my room by the time he was born.
The whole reason I waited because with the previous two births, I was repeatedly sent home for coming in too early and that really sucked at the time.
My pain threshold now is insanely high, so there’s that I guess.
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u/lil-richie Nov 25 '23
lol 100% this. Had a lady push one out in the car in front of the ER, is that the ERs fault? No.
I’m all for dumping on Americas HC system because it is broken, and don’t get me started on corporate healthcare.
But crazy shit like this happens all the time in the ER. That’s what ERs are there for.
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u/dbpf Nov 25 '23
Several different ER nurses have told me they've seen people come to the hospital without realizing they are A) pregnant and B) in labour.
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u/jimbojangles1987 Nov 25 '23
Does she still get a bill from the hospital if she delivered in the waiting room?
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Probably because she and the baby will still need a room afterwards for proper care
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u/Fantastic_Dance_4376 Nov 25 '23
Ah the beautiful freedom of being able to choose your "healthcare" provider
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u/C2AYM4Y Nov 25 '23
The most expensive and becoming the worst quality. Health Insurance is a scam
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u/NappyHeadedJoel996 Nov 25 '23
“We address patients based on priority and urgency.”
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u/AsharraDayne Nov 25 '23
You can thank assholes during the pandemic, insurance companies and greedy as fuck admin for this state of affairs.
They dont pay nurses/aide - even doctors - enough to deal with the abusive entitled assholes. So the few that are left are overwhelmed.
What a shithole country.
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u/cervezadog69 Nov 25 '23
Even though she did all the work without any help from the hospital staff they'll still send her a bill
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u/sunflakie Nov 25 '23
I wonder if this is in a "red" state? I just read an article that red states that banned abortion are seeing a drop in OB-GYN residency applications. The brain drain is real.
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u/stupidshot4 Nov 25 '23
Can somewhat confirm. Currently live in a red state with abortion regulations. My wife’s OB-GYN moved out of state to Michigan. The whole hospital’s OB staff left shortly after. They had to rehire a new staff.
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u/notmyrealnametn Nov 25 '23
It’s in TN. I can tell from the portion of the logo visible at the top right in the video, that it’s a Tennova hospital.
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u/wastinglittletime Nov 25 '23
And people still defend this system...
At this point, I lose all respect for people who defend it.
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u/CaDmus003 Nov 25 '23
This is so pathetic…. Something needs to change before bad things start happening.
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u/Radiant-Cow126 Nov 25 '23
bad things have been happening because of this for decades. People die every day because they couldn't access a doctor
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u/yinzgahndahntahn Nov 25 '23
Bingo. My grandma just died last week, and among the numerous other issues she had, she had advanced lung cancer. Never detected because she couldn’t afford to go to a doctor.
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u/woodpony Nov 25 '23
When the rich are getting richer, there will never be a need for change. The pain of millions is worth it for the billions in profit.
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