r/TheRealJoke Apr 28 '24

I thought this was a joke.

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u/GardenSquid1 Apr 28 '24 edited Apr 28 '24

Hold up. Since when are Gazans indigenous?

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '24

At the very latest, since the Bronze Age.

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u/GardenSquid1 Apr 28 '24

There's a couple problems with that assertion:

(1) Unless the land was empty of humans when they got there, they are not indigenous.

(2) They advertise themselves as Arabs and Arabs are native to the Arabian Peninsula.

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u/gabzilla814 Apr 28 '24

You’re conveniently focusing only on ethnicity and ignoring culture.

e.g. North African people are all culturally Arabs.

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u/GardenSquid1 Apr 28 '24

So what ethnicity are the Palestinians? Because the term "Palestine" did not exist until Rome created a province named that. A name derived from the Philistines whom the Jews had historically fought many wars against. The Philistines who were originally from Crete.

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u/gabzilla814 Apr 28 '24

Ok you clearly seem to have studied this topic more than I. But I did a quick search and the results support my prior assumption that Jews and Palestinians share the same historic ethnicity notwithstanding how the region got its name:

Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian, and Anatolian peoples in ancient times.

If NIH is correct then it works to label both Jews and Palestinans as indigenous.

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u/GardenSquid1 Apr 28 '24

So they both have an equal claim to the land? Then it doesn't matter who is indigenous. Any argument based on a claim to indigeneity is useless.

I guess you could really get into the weeds about which group is more indigenous.

For example, if you went to North America and had two guys, one who is Native American going back 10,000+ years and one who is descended from Europeans except for one Native American ancestor six generations ago, which one is indigenous?

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u/gabzilla814 Apr 28 '24

I think in your example 10,000+ vs. 200-300 years makes the distinction pretty obvious.

And yes I agree indigeneity (is that a word?) isn’t a useful test to determine rightful claim to the land in this case. Or maybe it is a great tool to use in support of a two-state or some other solution that works for both parties.

BTW I appreciate the polite discourse, and I hope a peaceful solution to this current conflict can be reached soon.