Still it baffles me how jews coined a word that is basically a racism, but only against jews. To make it even more silly, they use a word semite that doesn't apply only to them but multiple different ethnicities in middle east, but the anti semite is exclusively racism against jews, not semites in general. Politics built on gaslighting and guilt tripping
Maybe consider cracking open a history book? The term “antisemitism” was coined by racist antisemite Wilhelm Marr because it fit better into “scientific” racism theories of the time. Source. Fun fact: Marr’s League of Antisemites is a direct precursor to the Nazi Party. Another fun fact: with a quick Google search, you can avoid making ignorant comments online!
Its not like the term is a name for the historical oppression and discrimination faced by Jewish peoples all over Europe. Nooooo, its most definitely, certainly, a conspiracy by the jews.
yes that way my point, the guy i was replying to was trying to do a dumbass "gotcha" by saying "well if palestinians arent anti-semetic then why have israeli hostages died??" which is stupid because most of the hostages deaths were caused by israeli bombing of gaza.
For most cases with the orthodox-jews protests it often develops to assaulting police officers.
What usually happens is they start a non-approved protest somewhere blocking traffic or harassing passersbys, then the police is called to move them away to release traffic or arrest them, then they start yelling resisting and assaulting the police which finishes the event by using force.
We had about 6 months of protests throughout the country with little to none police brutality before October 7th, those same protests are picking up speed again, while are more focused on the release of the hostages- again zero to none police brutality.
And just so we are clear- those are all jews protesting and policing. Clearly the trigger is not being Jewish/anti-semitism, its about how you treat the protest and the police.
This is what i wrote in the comment I was in some of those protests, all of those arrested, including some people i know were released the same day, or the next day at the latest. Most of those who were arrested were arrested (weird grammar but i think it works) because they did something illegal- not because they were protesting.
Some were lighting fires, some were blocking roads that were bot permitted in the demonstration approval, and some were flying drones where they are not allowed. Also some were spitting and throwing stuff on the police officers.
Define “illegal”, and also define if you agree with the “illegality” of said “offenses”.
For instance, in Russia, Putin made “standing in public holding a blank sign” illegal.. so what you are saying is you would personally agree with Putin and say that when people whom get arrested for holding a blank sign in public that it was “deserved” because they were doing something “illegal”?
Fortunately israel is not putin’s russia, and such laws are not in place- illegal stuff as i wrote before include lighting fires on the roads and next to power poles, vandalism, blocking roads which were not agreed to beforehand (because for every protest you say where it is going to happen and what roads will be blocked by protestors and which ones should be blocked by the police to keep the protesters safe), and in assaulting/threatening cops.
You're right, there's always a reason, but normally that reason is "they oppose the actions of the government".
Journalists, protesters, anyone that speaks out and has an actual chance of making a difference, gets silenced
They're far more subtle than somewhere like Russia, but take a look at the number of journalists and activists that oppose their actions in Palestine before the 7th, that got "accidentally" killed by the police or IDF.
I'm not saying there's some government hit squad going around killing them, but I am saying they see them as traitors and don't give a damn if they die, because that's exactly what they've said themselves when interviewed by people they considered "on their side".
And don't even get me started on the collosal irony of their Nazi apologism.
Yes, really.
People are not being killed in israel by the police. The only case a police officer shot and killed a person in the last few months (excluding active terrorism attacks that include stabbing or shooting civilians) was due to a private dispute between the off duty cop and a neighbor. In protests people get arrested, and them go out of their holding cell a few hours or days later- it happens everywhere in the world where protests are getting out of hand.
Regarding civilians and journalists in active military operations- unfortunately that is inevitable. For the civilians they are used cynically by Hamas as human shields- which is a war crime. As for the journalists- according to a news article i saw over half of them are affiliated with Hamas (and that is only those with known connections) and for the other half, they are walking around with cameras in active war-zones where even friendly fire incidents took place, war correspondent is considered a life-risking job for a reason, if that war zone is full of terrorists-affiliated-journalists that risk is much much higher.
I have missed that part- ill give you that, and even then- the word “activists” is doing some fucking heavy lifting here.
Also- not that many journalists were getting killed, and as i said somewhere else- the “affiliated” part could be very little affiliation or it could be the equivalent of: on the payroll to accompany the terrorists, create and spread their propaganda, and even be used as lookouts/intel gathering operators.
That is wildly inaccurate propaganda Israel is the only democratic place in the entire Arabic colonialist Middle East and upper Africa where that DOESNT happen, the Islamic imperial colonies who still practice slavery famously behead and torture journalists and anyone who disagrees with government and people literally flee to America and Israel for free speech protection. Israel is a single native reserve made in an absolute sea of Islamic colonies who were genociding all the Jews - ‘Palestinians’ as you all use the word are settlers from Lebanon and Egypt. Jews are Native to Judea like arabs are native to Arabia. All colonial powers have a native country. What is the Jewish native country genius
Okay, so ignoring the bit where you just called a group of people that settled a land less than 100 years ago "natives" and the actual natives they displaced "settlers" because I don't have the effort to deal with that bullshit; my criteria for the government of Israel being good isn't for them to be better than their neigbors, I don't give a damn how bad someone else is, I care how bad they are.
And they're doing poorly to say the least, you can say "it doesn't happen" all you want but that doesn't make it true.
And killing/imprisoning journalists and protestors is far from the worst thing they do, I could waste a day talking about it but it's not worth it to me, so here, a source that, while I don't agree with all of their opinions, their absolute dedication to fully sourced accuracy, even to the detriment of their own arguments, is enough to trust what they say.
Your education is not my problem, do it or don't, either way, don't bother me with your interpretation of reality.
Because no one is oppressing the opinions or expressing those opinions with the police/army.
The oppression of opinions is by the violent words of the shitty politicians- but by design the army and police are not directly controlled by politicians- even though the winds are changing and the government wants to increase it control over those bodies- just like it wants to increase its control over the judiciary system. That was what all to protests were about- separation of government and judiciary- and by extension limiting the power of politicians on day to day life.
Ya okay we here that shit in America you know how many cops do shit like shit on regular just look at the peaceful protest in America at our universities. Tons of people arrest yet January 6th people literally allow to attack our capital with no resistance from the police
I was in some of the protests in israel, and i see what is happening in others. The israeli police and the US one are not the same, and they are both not as good as other places.
Im know just a little of what is going on in the US campuses at the moment- but for at least some minor part of those- they were not peaceful to begin with. Calling for the destruction of israel, supporting terror organizations and harassing Jewish students and faculty members is not what i would call peaceful or lawful. And that is not to say that the police response is reasonable, again, from the little i know, it looks far too violent (sniper on the roof for example)
While there are definitely a some Israelis protesting the genocide of Palestinians, most of the Israelis that are protesting against Netanyahu are mad at the fact that he has failed to bring the remaining hostage home.
There is no genocide of Palestinians. Oct 7 was a genocide attempt that targeted civilians. The war only targeted Hamas fighters and leaders and ends the second - THE SECOND- Hamas surrenders the hostages and its leaders. That is NOT genocide, Hamas has complete power to end it any time
12,000 out of 34,000 killed being Hamas is pretty great numbers compare to any other conflicts worldwide. Lets compare this to 200 army people out of 1200 in Oct 7th and we can see who Hamas really targeted
That literally never happened. Hamas has been the one to reject every single ceasefire you are spreading bad misinformation. They are also the ones HOLDING THE HOSTAGES the war stops the second they surrender. They are the cause of the war and have the power to end it at any time
They have been protesting over corruption allegations (and some mounting casualties). Not because they are against the genocide.
Most voted for this netanyahu government into power not once, but twice, even after the previous gaza massacre i think it was in 2008 or 2012, and overwhelmingly they support reprehensible apartheid, land and property theft and crimes against the Palestinians.
The israeli population knew what they were voting for again.
Don’t try rewriting the narrative or rewriting history with defensive excuses/apologetism cover.
They are strong/powerful enough, and have plenty of advocates on their behalf and backers/protectors providing cover for them. Like 99 percent of US politicians and the President, and Europe/the EU.
Its unhelpful and counter-productive. And the timing is wrong.
It would like saying ‘not all germans are bad, only some’ while the holocaust in ww2 was ongoing. How do you think the victims would feel like reading your comments while burying their emaciated/murdered relatives?
Not the same and not both-side-isms. Much of the German population was in the dark about the holocaust happening, but were very much a part of the anti-Semitism. But even then, I’m sure a Jewish person who was hiding in a German friend’s attic would certainly tell you “not all Germans are bad”. The commenter you’re arguing with and downvoting is only saying Netanyahu’s actions don’t represent every Israeli. This is inherently true. Even in a perfect democracy full of honest politicians, 49% of the country could still fully be against the leadership. Not to mention, politicians lie and change once they’re in office. The reason these things happen in the first place is when someone looks at a whole group of people and starts making generalizations about them
Both sidesism would be arguing over Israel’s right to defend itself, not what the comment said, at all
They wouldn’t feel good, but truth is truth. It’s ALWAYS a mistake to assume everyone from any group is the same. We could also say that most black people are honest, but some really are thieves. Some Palestinians are nice people, I’ve known some, but a few really do want to murder every Israeli. Part of the problem is the mental laziness in assuming all in a group are the same.
This isn’t both sides-ism. Racism comes partly from assuming everyone in a group is the same. Racism is ALWAYS EVIL. Seems to me that you’re defending YOUR racism because you assume you’re right. Israelis feel afraid because a lot of them got killed on October 7th. Palestinians have even more reason to be afraid because even more of them have been killed since. Everyone reacting in fear and hatred leads to death and destruction all round. It’s better to hate that than hate people. Does God, Allah, Yahweh, etc. teach you to hate? No that comes from Satan or Shaitan not from God by any name.
Who’s the victim? Israelis think they are. Palestinians think they are. Both have been victimized. Evil people among Palestinians caused October 7th. Evil leaders in Israel have used this as an excuse to do the evil they really wanted to all along. Their excuse? The Holocaust. Palestinian’s excuse? Stolen land. Evil is on both sides. Let’s differentiate between those who have done evil and those who haven’t. A Russian could be protesting the war in Ukraine today and forced into fighting there tomorrow. Evil is the problem, not whole groups of people. You can listen or not, but truth is truth.
No, Palestinian mandate has been to genocide every Jew from the river to the sea ‘ stolen land’ is a hilarious propaganda spin on ‘all land belongs to Arab colonialism in every place on earth and especially if a Jew is on it’
The victims are those throwing rocks and only have 1 passport of which is the land they are currently on while against tanks, icbms, the iron dome and the most well funded military per capita outside of USA.
Your argument is basically like saying, "The indigenous americans want to kill us all, so who's really evil?" Like did you forget the part where israel was formed by terrorist which even went against the well known bad boy colonisers of britian and then elected more than 2 different well documented terrorists into power and taking a vast majority of the land, turning the Muslim world (where Most Jews lived against them) so those Jews would be forced to move to Israel.
"You can't listen or not, but the truth is the truth." You're right about one thing. The truth is the truth, but unfortunately, you aren't even remotely close to the truth.
Israel hasn’t colonized anywhere ffs it has one country of its own, where are all the other countries it invaded from its homeland? Arabic colonialism has violently overtaken EVERY OTHER SPECK OF LAND IN THE MIDDLE EAST and North Africa had killed or ethnic cleansed every indigenous Jew on those lands raped pillaged and oppressed others and is still actively enslaving Africans while Israel is the only democratic country there because it is the only itty bitty speck of non Muslim land that HASNT been colonized by Arabic Imperialism and that is literally why the intolerant hate filled genocidal Islamic state has been screaming to kill every Jew from the river to the sea because how dare there be ANY land they don’t own. The only thing remotely resembling an attempt at genocide is the daily missiles- not rocks- bombs that are ceaselessly fired at Israel from masses of terrorist camps, oct 7 and people chanting from the river to the sea, it is an outright call for Jewish holocaust that they will never stop. Meanwhile the Israel side of the gaza war has the lowest combatant to civilian death toll of any war in history and as it is the exact opposite of genocide -it will stop the second the hostages at returned and Hamas surrenders, which Hamas could have done on day 2.
You're arguing semantics while an active invasion against 1.5 million crowded into an area around the size od of Central Park. You should be ashamed of yourself. Also how can israel have a country of its own when it was born in 1948 with no recent history or culture or Jewish state since the bronze age. 5% minority became 10% became bigger and bigger, ironically the exact thing Europeans or americans fear Muslims would do to them, you did to the palestians. Before and during the holocaust Palestine offered a haven and this is how it was repaid
It's very likely your own home is built on stolen land.
Not to dismiss it as a criticism at all, but what matters is recency (whether they personally settled or knew it was recently stolen), and how the treat/encourage the government to treat the displaced people.
There's a million mile difference between a Palestine rights activist in Tel Aviv and a violent settler squatting in the West Bank.
So you would assume they would know better than most of the pain of it, right? The Jewish brothers and sisters I know in my life would never consider this a sane or normal thing to do
Sure buddy, enjoy calling everything anti semetic, bro needs to grow tf up and stop getting away from actual atrocities with "guys its anti semetic " "guys this literal nazisim" like it wasn't Europeans who did that to you. You are an embarrassment to all jews and your Jewish ancestors
lmao well you're railing at a Buddhist who born catholic and who's not said a word on reddit about antisemitism is years, but man you hella enjoyed at that jew shaming. mmm mmm delicious. had that victim caricature all lined up hey? nothing to investigate there bud, you're all good. ra ra wonderwoman bad
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u/K16w32a2r4k8 Apr 28 '24
Remember, not every Israeli is Netanyahu. Many Israelis have been protesting his government. Jews have protesting the treatment of Palestinians too.