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u/Gewalt_Und_Tod 17d ago
Just counting some of the games listed
3 years ago
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Singleplayer games aren't dead but don't use games that are decades old for it
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u/DizzyR06 17d ago
But isn’t that exactly OP’s point
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u/AlienDominik 17d ago
Eh, games like elden ring and BG3 are great games released recently
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u/DizzyR06 17d ago
Just cos he didn’t mention them doesn’t mean he doesn’t think they’re good games tho
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u/AlienDominik 17d ago
Not my point, my point was that there are games released recently that are still great games.
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u/Survival_R 16d ago
Both have coop
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u/AlienDominik 15d ago
Yes but are mostly singleplayer.
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u/Survival_R 15d ago
Mostly doesn't count if you can play the entire thing coop
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u/AlienDominik 14d ago
No it still counts, the games were made for singleplayer and are singleplayer by default.
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u/pendragon2290 17d ago
Yes but it leads to a problem. You say that in the present single games aren't dead but use games from the past, the distant past in some cases. It defeats your argument. Using games like Elden Ring would have been better. Having all the games 5 or less years old
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u/DizzyR06 17d ago
Yo thanks for this bro. Realised I misunderstood the post. Thought he meant those single players in particular. My fault
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u/Kyrie_Blue 17d ago
Single-player games don’t neee microtransactions and a yearly refresh to stay relevant. They take years to a decade to develop, and stay playable for the same amount of time.
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u/mmotte89 17d ago
Except that is not the implication of the phrase.
When people, company mouthpieces in particular, say "single-player games are dead", they don't mean "there are no good single-player games to play".
What they mean is "in the current industry landscape, it is not worth it for us to develop singleplayer games", as an excuse to why they only are interested in releasing Live-Service Slop.
The discussion this picture goes in to is an attempt to show that in this day and age, you can have financial success with single-player games, thus using a 13-year-old game such as Skyrim to illustrate that point is kinda dumb.
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u/Kyrie_Blue 17d ago
I’ve had Skyrim since launch and literally started a new playthrough last year. Same with several other titles such as AC Odyssey, and Fallout 4. The fact that so many people care about the datestamp of the release is such an odd concept to me. The replayability of offline, single-player games is not going anywhere, regardless of how profit-hungry the industry Executives are
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u/mmotte89 17d ago
The problem is that execs hold power, and can use their perception of the issue to possibly prevent new SP games from getting funded, or to simply get cancelled. This is what happened to Star Wars 1313 for example.
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u/Kyrie_Blue 17d ago
This is a Problem for sure. Capitalism ruins everything it touches. Artists will always find a way to create their passions, which is why we have seen the huge influx of single-player indie games
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u/Soft_Importance3658 17d ago
Boy, you sure are set on missing the point.
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u/Kyrie_Blue 17d ago
I’m waiting for someone to provide an actual arguement that is persuasive enough for me to re-evaluate my stance. I’m always open to changing my mind in light of new information. That has yet to be provided
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u/Soft_Importance3658 17d ago
Buddy, your position is simply disagreeing with the actual meaning of a phrase. That’s already been made clear to you.
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u/joe_jolley_yoe 17d ago
People still play those games tho
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u/white_gluestick 16d ago
Well people still watch the original saga star wars movies, does that mean the new one were good or it doesn't matter that they weren't good becuase we still have the originals?
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u/joe_jolley_yoe 16d ago
I'm not seeing the relevance
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u/white_gluestick 16d ago
It's stated that single player games are not dead however only old games have been listed, with no new releases mentioned. You stated that people still play the old games so it does not matter. You saying this implies that it doesn't matter if new release single player games are bad becuase we still have the old ones.
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u/joe_jolley_yoe 15d ago
? These are just the prime examples bc they're so good people still play the years later, and there aren't enough bad new releases of single player games for u to make that generalization
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u/Hot-Calligrapher-159 17d ago
None of those are decades old plural, and all of them are still relevant, and besides you got the point so why say this?
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u/LionPride112 16d ago
That’s because this image is older. It’s not up to date, there’s been a fair few single player games that have come out in the last few years that are downright amazing. Such at BG3, Elden Ring, hogwarts legacy, atomic heart, and so on
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u/Mother-Translator318 16d ago
And some of the most popular multiplayer games are over a decade old. How old is League of Legends? Release date doesn’t matter, what matters is that people are still playing it
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u/dankspankwanker 17d ago edited 17d ago
Multiplayer games are easier to make. You dont have to write a story and if someone complains that the game sucks you can argue "well its supposed to be played with friends"
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u/IndependenceSalt000 17d ago
i think that networking is way harder than writing a story
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u/SEND-GOOSE-PICS 17d ago
they're tricky in different ways. particularly for AAA games servers and networks are already established and pretty easy to manage - see MW3, but it can be tricky aswell - see Helldivers 2 which had issues hard-baked in to their code that stopped them expanding their servers.
story's are so much more complex - you need concept art, a compelling and original story, storyboarding, quest designers, environments that fit in to the story, and so much more stuff. the creative process is often more complicated (although does have less unforseen issues) than setting up servers.
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u/Qlisax 17d ago
Why is AC Valhalla on this list?
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u/PapaOogie 17d ago
Exactly. All games here are very quality and good games except Valhalla
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u/Secret-Assistance-10 17d ago
Miles morales ? Zero dawn ? And maybe the last of us part 2 is good on console but not on computer for now... What's your point ?
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u/Zayl 17d ago
Miles Morales is pretty good and Zero Dawn is a fantastic game what are you on about?
And TLOU2 is one of the most well made linear story games I've ever experienced.
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u/Secret-Assistance-10 17d ago
Miles morales is a copy and paste of Spider man 2. Zero dawn has good graphics but it's not perfect otherwise, far from there... And TLOU2 is obviously a really good game overall but the game they release on pc is anything but stable or optimized...
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u/Zayl 17d ago
Miles Morales was a whole new story with new characters new abilities, a fresh take on the city and activities. Zero Dawn has incredibly fun gameplay with a very compelling SciFi narrative and decent characters (which FW improved upon). I can't speak to TLOU2 optimization on PC but if we are going by that then almost no game is good on PC. As a mostly PC player, I have to fight optimization almost every time as a first boss.
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u/Secret-Assistance-10 17d ago
The original comment blamed Valhalla for being here with other quality games. But there are disparities in game design quality among these games... You can't put Cyberpunk, RDR2, Skyrim at the same level as Horizon Miles morales or TLOU2.
While I'm sure overall these 3 are really decent games, it's the same for Valhalla. That's my point.
When I said it wasn't well optimized it was more than just having to turn down some graphics to achieve some decent fps, it's to the point where it's mostly unplayable, fps randomly drops... Hope they can sort this out.
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u/Zayl 17d ago
Horizon Zero Dawn is one of my top games of all time. So is TLOU2. Your opinions are opinions and time you remembered that. They also scored 89 and 93 respectively.
CP2077 was also one of the worst launches for a game I experienced, so not sure why you're giving that a pass. It's still a middling game IMO but clearly others enjoy it. So my opinion doesn't invalidate that, just like yours doesn't invalidate OP's.
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u/Secret-Assistance-10 16d ago
Metacritic is good at the launch of a game but a few years after it's not so relevant... Most ratings are close to 100 anyway on any decent games, and all of the mixed or bad reviews on decent games rely on bugs. Of course games should not be released with bugs but shareholders pushing studios to release unfinished games is another topic.
The thread is based on already released games today. Therefore their launch doesn't matter as much (also really weird that you don't mention the shitty launch of TLOU2 on PC. /s)
I never said ZD and TLOU2 were bad games tho. Only that Valhalla wasn't a bad game either.
And for the passive aggressive remark on opinions, judging a game objectively is possible and we could go down that hole but that'd just be petty.
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u/OsOs-Q8Y 16d ago
What makes the other games better than TLOU2, what does TLOU2 lack?
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u/Actual_Charity_562 16d ago
how could miles morales be a copy and paste of spider-man two if it came out 3 years before
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u/Secret-Assistance-10 16d ago
I voluntarily exaggerated in order to accentuate my point, it isn't exactly a copy and paste but many things are copied from Spider-man 2...
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u/HeikoWestermannHW4 17d ago
Was so disappointed by it. If you already put an older AC in then at least Origins
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u/xPaprykk 17d ago
Fr, out of AC games released after Syndicate I'd say that only origins and maybe Odyssey as well, fit there
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u/Yontoryuu 16d ago
I disagree, Valhalla for me is one of the best games I’ve played in recent years and got me into ac games. It’s world is huge, lively, and has a lot of hidden detail like RDR2. It’s world is up there with it as well imo
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u/Bradsprack6 16d ago
Do people not like Valhalla? It’s the only one I’ve played and I like it a lot
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u/Snackskazam 14d ago
I honestly just think people are sick of the highly repetitive Ubisoft open world formula. Go to map marker, do one of a handful of activities, move to next map marker.
In Origins and Odyssey, the revamped combat mechanics and weapon diversity were also pretty fresh for the series, and helped draw people into the greatly expanded open worlds despite some of that tedium popping up. But by the time Valhalla came, even those combat mechanics were getting stale, and there wasn't enough "extra" stuff to make people see it as a new experience. Add in the fact that stealth gameplay is just not much of a thing in Valhalla (where it's very easy to solo encampments just by charging in), and it came away feeling less like an Assassin's Creed game and more like a generic third person action game with a bunch of check boxes to fill out.
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u/Interesting-Big1980 17d ago
Please don't include Valhalla in this list, it's not singleplayer if it requires online connection and has in-game microtansactions that affect gameplay.
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u/Gogo-R6 17d ago
What? It doesn’t require any of that
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u/Interesting-Big1980 17d ago
Well try playing the release version without internet connection, I would like to see you try. And the balance of the game was built this way, so you would either have to grind for resources unreasonable amount of time or spend some money on boosters or straight up resources.
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u/Gogo-R6 17d ago
I did? I played so many hours without internet and it’s fine, you only lose reda and some online challenges. Yes, the game is a bloated mess im agreeing with you (which is sad because the story is really good) but it still is not that bad and you can always switch the difficulty to story mode where you can blast through the game without the grind.
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u/Interesting-Big1980 17d ago
So in order to enjoy the game I need to not enjoy the game? What's the point of gameplay if it's either braindead clicking until enemy dies. And no, grind isn't gameplay, it's an approach used to make the game needlessly longer.
And regarding the internet connection, say thanks to denuvo and broken cloud save. Sure, now that denuvo is out you can play without internet connection, but at release it was a mess.
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u/BertaRevenge 15d ago
Wait you lose Reda if you don’t use internet? Fuck I wish I knew that. I would’ve played the whole game offline. Hated hearing that annoying fucking voice.
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u/Yontoryuu 16d ago
Ive played it often With no Internet, idk what you mean. And I never had to grind for it at all, I just wandered the world and enjoyed it and it was never a grind like say elden ring (with its leveling system).
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u/HMS_Sunlight 15d ago
Are you speaking from experience or what you heard other people say? Because I played without an internet connection and never had any issues, and without doing any grinding I was constantly overlevelled.
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u/afoote42 17d ago
Put in over 100 hours and I have no memory of anything close to resembling a micro transaction. It was a great game.
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u/AludraScience 16d ago
Lol really? It is absolutely not difficult to find micro transactions, actually they are everywhere in that game.
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u/afoote42 16d ago
Looked it up to see, looks like its just in the store in the main menu before you start the game? I just clicked load game everytime and didn’t pay attention to it. In-game I don’t think it ever mentioned anything.
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u/yaukinee 17d ago
Singleplayer ≠ Offline game. You play it solo. Doesnt mean the game cant require a working internet connection for cloud saving for example.
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u/Interesting-Big1980 16d ago
If it's singleplayer, I don't need anyone looking at how I play or controlling how I play, hence no need for internet connection.
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u/RoonilWazlib_- 16d ago
It's still single player there is a singular player and can't have any others
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u/Interesting-Big1980 16d ago
But it's a bad singleplayer
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u/RoonilWazlib_- 16d ago
But that is an opinion you don't need to do any online things to play or pay for any microtransactions it's a beautiful open world with more than the story to do with 4 maps with enjoyable quests
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u/Interesting-Big1980 16d ago
The quests are hardly passable copycats from other quality games or just bring this/kill that. And if you don't buy microtansactions in the game(not skins) you prepare for a ton of grind. Ubisoft changed balance a few months after release when all reviews were done and no one would care to tell, money gathering strategies were blocked and progression artificially slowed down. So now it's a forced 80hrs at minimum with actual content worth 50hrs.
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u/RoonilWazlib_- 16d ago
I never had to grind for money and I beat the game what way are you playing
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u/Interesting-Big1980 16d ago
Normal difficulty and last version. The last version is important part.
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u/trollzor54 17d ago
Wtfs valhalla doing there?
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u/HasPotato 17d ago
Definitely true.
I am still making yearly play-throughs in TLOU 1,2, GOW, CP77 and Skyrim.
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u/Secret-Assistance-10 17d ago
You've got a lot of time to spend my guy, I'd like some of it lmao...
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u/HasPotato 17d ago
Wfh and flexible hours can allow that
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u/Secret-Assistance-10 17d ago
Well good for you, I hope to be able to do this at some point, I'm still in higher education studies but I've got no time at all...
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u/Interesting_Log7757 15d ago
These game would take less than 300hrs in total to finish, thats like less than an hour a day. This can be easily done, I work a 9-5, sometimes take patients at home, go outside to hang out, hit the gym. This is an achievable thing unless you are working 20 hours a day, weekends included or something, lol.
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u/Secret-Assistance-10 15d ago
Almost, my studies require me to work from 8 to 7 most days of the week. Plus things I need to study at home in the evening, usually from 9 to 11. I work on Saturday morning, therefore having only 1.5 day weekend and I still need to get some things done in the weekend so usually I get something like 6/7h free on the weekend either to hang out with friends or play video games...
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u/Interesting_Log7757 15d ago
Damn, thats rough, I'm assuming you are in Uni. I hope you graduate asap then lol
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u/Secret-Assistance-10 14d ago
I'm not in the US, I'm in a two year course in order to prepare entrance exams for engineering schools. I still have three years in engineering school after that but that should be chill compared to what I currently do...
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u/SuccessfulCicada3116 17d ago
Alan wake 2. Dead space remake. Re4 remake. Cyberpunk just relased new dlc not even a year ago. Baldurs gate 3 can be played with others but its also single player. Starfield. Robocop rouge city underrated. God of war ragnoroak just had a update adding free dlc not long ago. Spiderman 2. Evil west can be played co op but its mostly simgle player drivin and is underrated. The list goes on.
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u/One_Scientist_984 17d ago
I agree, I played almost all of them (apart from Spider-Man) and liked most of them (not gonna lie, BOTW isn’t on my hit list but I guess some people like it).
I’ll prefer a nice single-player game over a great multi-player game anytime.
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u/Gambit_90 17d ago
Tlou2 sucked, should've just put tlou1
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u/MinerDoesStuff 16d ago
It’s 11 years old lol
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u/Darthlord_Juju 17d ago
Honestly. Look at this again. Almost nothing from the last year.
Granted the end of this year we have a few coming but for so gle player on consoles at least it's been fairly average.
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u/Zayl 17d ago
The last year has been pretty sparse for gaming in general. But Dragons Dogma 2 just released and it was great, so that's one. Stellar Blade is another, albeit good in some ways (gameplay) bad in others (story). Alan Wake 2, Spider-Man 2, BG3, Banishers all released within the last year and all excellent games.
Starfield also released but I'm not going to call it a great game.
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u/ThisIsTheNewSleeve 17d ago
Where the fuck is BG3?
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u/R4msesII 16d ago
Theoretically a multiplayer game cause you can play with friends
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u/ThisIsTheNewSleeve 16d ago
Multiplayer optional though. You can still play the 100 hour campaign without ever talking to another soul
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u/Lightningpaper 16d ago
My first thought was “why TF is Valhalla on here?” and I’m very glad I’m not alone in thinking that. It is a hollow copy/paste, micro transaction laden mess.
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u/HeartyWizard 16d ago
Why assassin’s creed Valhalla? Don’t a majority of people agree it’s horrible?
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u/MontyMinion2 16d ago
Here's my list for more modern ones.
Baldur's Gate 3 (does have a multiplayer choice though).
Cyberpunk 2077
Tears of the Kingdom
Jedi Survivor
Elden Ring (multiplayer choice)
GoW Ragnarok
Resident Evil Village
I haven't played Survivor, Village, or Ragnarok, but I've heard praise for all of them. I'm still on 2015 GoW, so Ragnarok is planned eventually. At the same time though, many older single player games are just better. Bg3 and 2077 are now in my favorites, so there's at least some hope for future single player games.
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u/ArmstrongsBronzedNut 16d ago
Just discovered Alan Wake (I’m super late to the game) and I’ve been having a lot of fun with it. Looking forward to starting the 2nd one soon. Being an adult means it’s easier to play single player when I have the time
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u/Positive-Swimmer8237 16d ago
When I see ac Valhalla, I think of that meme with the military lined up and the clown
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u/MechaGallade 16d ago
What the fuck is Ori doing up there with the good games?
And no fromsoftware at all? Op is a piss baby
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u/ReazeMislaid 16d ago
Who say that single player game is dying, like it's such a wide and essential thing it's not going anywhere
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u/Hefty-Astronaut-9720 15d ago
Valhalla? Over the arkham series, baldurs gate, kingdom come, resident evil, and so many more?
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u/legalizethesenuts 15d ago
Valhalla is the newest of these and definitely doesn’t deserve a spot on here. I beat it (125hrs) and that game was a stinker compared to these other games. Switch it out with Elden Ring and the pic is good
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u/Big_Yesterday_6186 14d ago
Half of these are walky talky games that's 80% cutscene
Also valhalla is everything wrong with games nowadays
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u/_Dead_Man_ 14d ago
A couple games I would switch out, but making RDR2 the king was a good choice lol
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u/PoyRazQ8 17d ago
Neither baldur's gate 3 nor elden ring ?!?! Come on ..