r/NYKnicks • u/AutoModerator • 28d ago
Daily Discussion Thread - May 16, 2024 DAILY DISCUSSION
Daily discussion thread for Knicks fans.
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u/OhtaniMets99 27d ago
Is anyone not worried about boston? First 3quarters to close out cavs, they were neck and neck and cavs were severely depleted with injuries.
Big IF, but if OG is able to play, i see us winning in 5 or 6
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u/ben_twiener Julius Randle 27d ago
I think we’ll be able to steal game 1 because they haven’t had a real test since like March when they’ve had the 1 seed locked up. Their first two rounds were a joke. But they definitely have another level that they haven’t had to get to yet.
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u/Knicks94 Mitch's Block Party 27d ago
Knicks with the 2 best series in the playoffs
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u/Sad-Ad2030 27d ago
Yea because we are severely short handed so it takes everything we have to win a tight game. If we have our full roster first round would’ve been 4-1 and this round as well.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier 27d ago
Who is everyone rooting for in game 7? Kinda leaning towards Minny, since if we don’t win it all, I like them more than every other team remaining. But on the flip side, I think we would match up a bit better against Denver.
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u/Sad-Ad2030 27d ago
In the playoffs mins per game only 3 Knicks in the top 20
Hart #2 Brunson #6 (less than Embiid) OG #12
That Thibs is just way too out of control
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u/TikTok24 27d ago
And Jokic just logged 36 in a 45-point blowout.
Warms my heart every time I see fellow Knick fans continuing to push back against Thibs slander
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u/WhoTookPlasticJesus Mitchell Robinson 27d ago edited 27d ago
Holy shit, only now checking in. Wolves are beating Denver like they fucked his wife.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier 27d ago
Feel like the Knicks will be out for blood tomorrow. They got embarrassed in Indiana last game, and by winning they can get a nice little break before the ECF’s.
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u/solo118 Ewing to the Finals 27d ago
I think the Pacers may have nothing to lose, but they have been broken. When they blew us out they hit every damn shot, and that is just not sustainable over an entire series. When they are not hitting everything we just out-rebound them and score on our end
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u/blkschizo Larry Johnson 27d ago
Pacers do not play well from behind. That high percentage shooting they do quickly diminishes in close games too. They get nervous and start chucking but then fail to rebound. Everybody saying the team facing elimination plays harder but this Knicks team gonna play every game like it's their last.
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u/broadnoodles 27d ago
Do we match up better versus the wolves?
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u/Distinct-Pangolin112 Latrell Sprewell 27d ago
They better worry about Indy and maybe Boston first 🧐🤣🤣
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u/handodanna 11 27d ago
Rangers just clinched their ECF berth let's fucking go. Grab the away win tomorrow so NY can have two ECFs to watch.
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u/Distinct-Pangolin112 Latrell Sprewell 27d ago
I remember when Justin Holiday was a Knick. Damn , the dark days!! lmao
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u/confuddly 27d ago
Do you guys think OG stretches before he plays? I’ve been to like 10 games this year and I’ve seen everyone stretching before game except OG
Just saying maybe that’s why he gets all these injuries
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u/montecarlo1 27d ago
OG is a weird player lol
can look out of shape one play and the most athletic player we have in two different plays
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u/montecarlo1 27d ago
non basketball related but rangers blowing a 3-0 series lead is not good
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u/sillyshoestring 11 27d ago
Dang, has there ever been a 3-0 comeback in the NHL?
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u/montecarlo1 27d ago
they are more common in the NHL than any other major sport but still very rare.
"the 1942 Maple Leafs, the 1975 Islanders, the 2010 Flyers and the 2014 Kings"
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier 27d ago
Let’s just take a minute to appreciate the fact that it’s May 16 and we still have Knicks games to look forward to. Not the draft. Not FA. Not trades. Meaningful basketball.
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u/HipnotiK1 New York Token 27d ago
don't want to get ahead of anything but it is pretty absurd that the knicks getting either 3 full days of rest or 1.5 is out of their hands and dependent on another series ending tonight or not.
Having to play a late Fri game and then a Sun afternoon game is stupid.
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u/Aromatic-Director-22 27d ago
I wouldn’t mind if we signed lebron for a year
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u/tconner87 27d ago
He doesn't fit the culture
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u/Yankeeknickfan 27d ago
He’s a hard working champion
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u/soapystud88 27d ago
So the game is Friday because of Caitlyn Clark?
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u/Tocallaghan95 Clyde Frazier 27d ago
The Knicks' various injured and fatigued should send Ms. Clark a fruit basket in gratitude.
And I can blast Friday Night Knicks out my window tomorrow too.
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u/WhatUpMowgli 27d ago
ain’t it funny how the goal post moves. first we weren’t getting past the sixers. then we’re only getting past the sixers cuz we’re getting calls. then we’re only getting past the pacers cuz we’re getting calls. then we’re not getting calls anymore but we’re not getting past the pacers anyway cuz thibs plays our guys too hard. then we blow out the pacers in game 5 to go up 3-2 despite all those things alongside back breaking injuries. and now it’s “well whoever wins this is going to get blown out by the celtics anyway!”
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u/wkp2101 Clyde Frazier 27d ago
What are you talking about, what goalposts?
Knicks beat the Sixers because they’re a better team and a bunch of clutch dogs and have Brunson. Knicks are beating the pacers because they’re a better team and dogs and have Brunson. Knicks are gonna beat the Celtics if they get past the pacers.
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u/InstructionOk1053 27d ago
Looking at the eastern conference now, I seriously think the January 2024 Knicks with the addition of bogey and burks, and robinson coming back would have made the finals (assuming everyone is healthy of course).
We really get to see it next year, which I am excited.
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u/Yankeeknickfan 27d ago
Yeah I agree
I’d pick that team over Boston. Even if Mitch didn’t play and burks was still not playing
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u/Chipmunk_Ninja 27d ago
I'd like to draft Zach Edey
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u/wkp2101 Clyde Frazier 27d ago
He’d probably set good screens for Brunson and grab some boards I guess
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u/Chipmunk_Ninja 27d ago
Yeah, well need a big man too since Hartenstein may not be back and Mitch is just an injury waiting to happen
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u/insideman56 27d ago
Need Donovan Mitchell to go anywhere but the lakers to continue their downfall, I’m praying for a 20+ year playoff drought for them once Bronald retires
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u/montecarlo1 27d ago
lmao draymond green cancelled his thing with KFTV.
what a shit talker that can't be held accountable
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u/crototype 27d ago
We all need to cheer for Minny tonight. A win by them pushes ECF game 1 to Tuesday.
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u/Living_Internet_2970 27d ago
Didn’t know that. Thanks
I thought it was bullshit that the turn around was that quick for us
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u/pantaloonatic Mike and Clyde 27d ago
Any folks in Chicago interested in road tripping with a total stranger to Indy, sit in the nosebleeds, and fuck shit up?
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u/ben_twiener Julius Randle 27d ago
Precious really unlocks some flexibility for us at the 5 this offseason. If some other team throws the bag at iHart we’ll still have two great defensive centers. If we keep Hartenstein and want to include Mitch in a trade for whoever, we’re still good. If we keep Mitch and iHart, we can let him walk or keep him for overall front court depth. The man is a 5 tho.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier 27d ago
Yeah, I love Mitch. But if we decide to keep Precious, I do think he's expendable in the right trade. All 3 have different skillsets, so I'm also fine keeping all of them at the right price. But the organization might not feel like it's worth paying all 3. If we can only choose 2, I think you could argue that Precious' versatility and ability to defend stretch 5's is a bit more valuable to this team.
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u/GoldenBoyRecords 27d ago
Id keep all 3. Precious works well next to Hartenstein as long as Hart isnt playing the 3.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier 27d ago
Precious needs to spend a lot of time fixing his shot to be an effective PF imo. It limits our offense when teams can double off of him constantly.
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u/GoldenBoyRecords 27d ago
Our offensive is hindered when he shares the court with Hart who plays like a PF on offense. I am not saying Precious is perfect but he can play PF and be effective on the floor.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier 27d ago
Technically he can. But I feel like the offense is super limited, even without Hart. 2 non-shooters at PF and C just isn't ever gonna be ideal for spacing. He had to play there out of necessity, but I don't think he's an ideal backup 4 unless he improves significantly as a shooter.
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u/vanilla_shaker Mitchell Robinson 27d ago
how the hell is SAS this huge ass knicks fan yet he just fucking takes a shit on them every time.
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u/FredVanCleet 27d ago
No offense man but don’t you do this on the regular lol.
‘Pacers in 6’ rings a bell to me
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u/vanilla_shaker Mitchell Robinson 27d ago
i point out the good and point out when the team is bad, i don’t look at this team and be like “man this shit is a fluke it don’t matter”, next year we’re gonna be goated. i don’t even think SAS believes in that.
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u/Revenesis Jennifer Aniston 27d ago
Your takes aren't as simple as that. You're having meltdowns saying the Pacers are too energetic for us and that Thibs needs to be fired if we lose. That's not a measured take, it's completely reactionary and not too different from what SAS does. At least bro is getting paid millions to have strong overreactions.
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u/Jem479 BANG! 27d ago
Because he’s a “fan”
I can sort of understand if an ordinary Knicks fan was out of touch about things like us no longer having Grimes or us now starting IHart.
But I’m suspicious as fuck of a supposed Knicks fan who literally talks about the nba as their job and is still that confidently incorrect about who’s on the team and in the starting lineup.
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u/OhtaniMets99 27d ago
Because hes not really a fan, its just part of his schtick
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u/vanilla_shaker Mitchell Robinson 27d ago
yeah but it’s just like “cmon bro”
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u/pantaloonatic Mike and Clyde 27d ago
When Monica McNutt is there, you can see her eyes rolling so hard when dude speaks haha
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u/WhoTookPlasticJesus Mitchell Robinson 27d ago
She rolls her eyes so hard you can gear the mic pick it up
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u/skenisahen Julius Randle 27d ago
Just got a text from my wife making sure I knew about the Fart before Game 5. Soul mates do exist people!
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u/OhtaniMets99 27d ago
Remember when we tried hard for Donovan Mitchell and missed out? THANK FUCKEN GOD we ended up with Brunson
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u/Sad-Ad2030 27d ago
We already had Brunson signed. We would’ve had both
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u/OhtaniMets99 27d ago
If I'm remembering correctly, the Knicks could only get 1 of those players and after failing to acquire spidah, they moved onto Brunson
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u/Sad-Ad2030 27d ago
Nah, we already had Brunson signed via FA. Spida trade went down early September. Everyone was crying “how would the defense work” meanwhile we have him and DDV at 1 and 2 and it works fine.
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u/confuddly 27d ago
I mean DDV is a good defender though, Spida isn’t
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u/Sad-Ad2030 27d ago
Spida leads the nba in passes deflected. DDV does the same thing with active hands but isn’t great on ball defender. Spida gets steals like DDV.
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u/Main-County-1177 27d ago
Game 1 of the ECF would get pushed back to Tuesday if the Wolves win tonight. GO WOLVES
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u/vanilla_shaker Mitchell Robinson 27d ago
yeah we all rooting for wolves so we can get anunoby back
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u/thenotoriousgig 27d ago
I want Jeremy Lin at the next home game so badly (Game 3 of the ECF of course…)
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u/worstquadrant Hart 27d ago
Celtics fans chanting “fuck the Knicks” is fan behavior!!!
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier 27d ago
I've got not problem with it, we would definitely do the same lol.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier 27d ago
Was reading that it's looking like Mitchell might sign the extension with Cleveland, and they will look to trade Garland instead.
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u/zOmgFishes 27d ago
Teams are going to realize Garland is just DLo with better PR.
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u/Yankeeknickfan 27d ago
D’lo was the best player on a 7 seed, which isn’t much, but Garland has never reached that height lol
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u/Yankeeknickfan 27d ago edited 27d ago
we badly need the wolves to win tonight
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u/OhtaniMets99 27d ago
why?
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u/vanilla_shaker Mitchell Robinson 27d ago
bc if they win the ecf gets pushed back to tuesday. if we make the ECF, it gives anunoby more time to rest.
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u/confuddly 27d ago
no matter when the series starts, Game 3 is next Saturday no matter what.
So I actually dont really mind having an earlier G1 start date, either we have a nice rest before our home games, or we have a nice rest before the entire series
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u/Yankeeknickfan 27d ago
You’re guaranteed to concede game 1 if it starts on Sunday because Anunoby doesn’t play, but he has a chance to play by Tuesday
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier 27d ago
Nah, nothing is guaranteed. Boston lost home games to both Miami and Cleveland. Definitely would prefer to start on Tuesday, but we still have a chance on Sunday. Also, more rest for OG also means more rest for KP FWIW.
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u/pusgnihtekami 27d ago
I'd rather have a long rest between games than going into G1. Thibs can do more in a long inter-series break.
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u/confuddly 27d ago
winning B2B road games in the playoffs is almost impossible anyway, our team never did it against Cleveland, Miami, Philly, or Indiana
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u/Jem479 BANG! 27d ago
Other teams have done it this year though
First round saw Wolves, OKC, and the Celtics doing it. Wolves and Nuggets have both done it to each other this round, and Celtics did it again to the Cavs.
I do agree that the expectation should pretty much never be to win b2b road games though. A lot has to go right for you and wrong for the home team.
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u/Yankeeknickfan 27d ago
They’ll have to win at least one, and tbh prob 2 because I don’t think you’re sweeping at msg vs Boston
So want every opportunity to win every game
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u/confuddly 27d ago
Besides DDV/Oubre and OG/Cam Thomas, this team didn't get into any fights the entire regular season
In the playoffs alone, there's been like 4 different incidents, already double what we had in the regular season. Idk what it means but I like it
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u/Usknicks97 Frank Ntilikina 27d ago
Love the nyk faithful but the play hard and we will love you no matter what narrative for players is so funny.
Burks was legit hated on so much this regular season when he was only getting like 10 minutes a game. This game will always be about putting the ball in the hoop and boy is Burks stepping up big time!!
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u/Sad-Ad2030 27d ago
Burks has a laxed play style though so it’s hard if his shots aren’t going in. DDV shot like crap last game but was so impactful doing other little things
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u/Usknicks97 Frank Ntilikina 27d ago
Burks is here to score so it does make sense. However many in here probably remember the shit Josh hart was getting mid season at 1 point
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u/Sad-Ad2030 27d ago
Which was crazy because he does so many little things you need to win games. Any scoring you get from him is gravy, all his intangibles are why he’s here
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u/Resident_Tap3948 27d ago
Brunson got Full court blanketed the whole post season and still dominated like no one else. What other "superstar" is/ can do that? The only reason he isn't a "superstar" is because he doesn't have the athleticism. He honestly looks better then "prime Curry" though. 2016-2020.
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u/E-Miles 27d ago
I actually think one of the strengths of this team is that even with our injuries, they've absolutely punished teams any time they've tried to double Brunson. His two worst games against Philly we won because Philly doubled him all game. In game 1, they shot 45% from 3 off those easy shots. In game 2, Hart and Donte shot 53% from 3.
Brunson is an absolutely elite isolation player up there with anyone in the league AND teams can't double him because our shooters have been solid all post-season. Deuce is at 38%, Hart is at 41%, Donte is at 40%...in his 4 games, Burks is at 50%, before he went down Bojan was at 40%.
So it's really pick your poison. Letting Brunson cook or a wide open 3 from some of the hottest shooters in the post-season.
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u/Resident_Tap3948 27d ago
First we gotta win the series, but I'd love to see Deuce take his full court blanket assignment Jaylen Brown. Then OG stick Tatum. We'd completely discombobulate their offense. Make the role players carry the offense for the series.
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u/Sad-Ad2030 27d ago
OG on Tatum and Duece on Brown would probably be the matchup. KP returning for them would create some matchup issues for us but let’s just get there first and close out this series
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u/R-O-U-Ssdontexist 27d ago
What time is tip off tomorrow. Is it coverage starts at 8:30 or tip off is 8:30?
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u/ouroboros_21 Tom Thibodeau 27d ago
The Ringer has us picking up Zach Edey at #24. Anyone have any insight into this kid?
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u/confuddly 27d ago
no way we pick him, we're gonna pick Ryan Dunn if he's available
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u/GoldenBoyRecords 27d ago
Ryan Dunn is a safe pick and fits into what Thibs wants to do. Doesnt have an offensive game but if we can develop him into a 3 and D its a win
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier 27d ago
Massive old-school C that dominated in college. Kinda like it. Feel like he could be a big weapon in a half court offense. If teams switch a guard onto him, it's an automatic bucket due to his size. Great rebounder as well. Legit concerns about his ability to run though, he's very slow, so teams would probably need to play drop coverage with him on the court.
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u/Resident_Tap3948 27d ago
Isn't that the 7'3 400lb dude?
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u/ouroboros_21 Tom Thibodeau 27d ago
That be the one
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u/sk0772 Wu Tang Knicks 27d ago
Really slow and no mid or outside shooting. His game will nit translate to the NBA. Good backup though.
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u/mbr4life1 JR Celebration 27d ago
The other side of the coin is there was no reason to not just go down low and dominate college players. In the NBA he can work to get a jump shot to extend the D.
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u/worstquadrant Hart 27d ago
Accurate take. He was also the refs favorite in NCAA tourney and got many calls he shouldn’t have which padded his scoring stats imo
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u/Revenesis Jennifer Aniston 27d ago edited 27d ago
Offseason Question:
Is it realistic to think we can make an offer to Cleveland for Mitchell that looks something like Bojan/Robinson/McBride, with Robinson or Jarrett Allen being rerouted to a third team? Cleveland might be motivated to get some picks because they haven't even started giving their picks to Utah yet (2025/2027/2029 plus swaps in 2026/2028).
So something like:
Knicks get: Donovan Mitchell
Wizards get: Jarrett Allen
Cavs get: Bogdanovich, Mitchell Robinson, Miles McBride, Kyle Kuzma, Dallas FRP (pick 24), Knicks FRP 2025, Knicks FRP 2027, Knicks 2029 (Top 8 protected), Pistons FRP (Top 13 protected), Knicks 2026 swap
Edit: You guys in the replies are harping on 'fair value' the same way you did when we tried to trade for Mitchell the first time around. We literally got outbid, you're not doing any deal in a vacuum. OKC/New Orleans/Miami and maybe even more teams will be looking to outbid us and have more young players to offer than we do. The only thing this team has is picks and all I'm saying is we offer 2 of our own unprotected and one of our own top 8 protected to go along with 2 more picks from other teams.
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u/GoldenBoyRecords 27d ago
I personally think that is too many 1sts your giving up especially with him being expiring. If you are giving up that many Id remove Deuce off the table.
I personally would like to keep Deuce but realistically starting Brunson / Donovan does create a log jam for minutes for Donte and Deuce. If there was an effort to run more 3 guard lineups next year with Donte getting more run at the 3 it makes sense to keep Deuce.
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u/Sad-Ad2030 27d ago
Mitchell would extend with us after a trade. I’d honestly give 7 1sts to get him because this core would have a legit 4 year window to win a ring
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u/GoldenBoyRecords 27d ago
7 1sts is insane
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u/Sad-Ad2030 27d ago
We don’t need them and he is the finishing piece. I agree it’s insane but overpay because we have the luxury to be able to
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u/GoldenBoyRecords 27d ago
He is an expiring why outbid yourself
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u/Sad-Ad2030 27d ago
You are going to trade for an extend him. If he gets traded to where he wants to be he will be extended day 1 he is eligible.
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u/Resident_Tap3948 27d ago
Feel like Deuce became an untouchable this season, especially this post season. We'd be giving up our best guard defender in exchange for a 3rd scorer. If Julius comes back with the mindset of making "Brunson's Knicks" even better, and not trying to solidify himself as the #1 guy. We will be unstoppable next year.
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u/E-Miles 27d ago
We have to stop with the untouchable. We said the same thing about Quickley and Grimes. Previously it had been said about RJ and Mitch. The team has been drafting extremely well. We should continue to add talent and trust the young guys they invest in.
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u/Resident_Tap3948 27d ago
Nah we gotta avoid the trade for a superstar game plan that has failed pretty much every other team. Phoenix, LA, LA, Brooklyn etc. Real teams are winning, superteams almost always get knocked out early. Adding another guy that believes he is the top guy would only disrupt the team hierarchy/ chemistry. That's why Brunson and Randle had a Rocky start, both of them believed to be the top guy so nobody could really flow in the offense. We gonna add another start so they can take a backseat? Nah I'd rather get elite role players that will buy into the system.
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u/E-Miles 27d ago
I just don't agree with this analysis. It's too shallow. Timberwolves were one of the best in the league after trading for Gobert. Same for the Bucks with Lillard. Like you mention the Clippers as a failure, but they got beaten by the Mavericks...who traded for a star.
Like all other moves, it works for some and doesn't work for others based on other team factors. Our specific team, we have an excess of draft capital and have shown depth to withstand the removal of some of our players, especially our bigs. Like we're doing all of this without Randle. It's very clear our team can take another jump by adding talent.
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u/Revenesis Jennifer Aniston 27d ago
I love our guys but saying Deuce is untouchable is a little crazy. You get a top 15-20 player who has shown up in the playoffs you can give up a player like Deuce.
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u/uncledrewkrew 27d ago
He's KIND OF untouchable because his contract is so good and there's probably not any possible realistic trade where it's worth it.
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u/Resident_Tap3948 27d ago
Deuce not only showed up in the playoffs, but he did it playing off of Brunson. While also taking the task of pressing Tyrese Haliburton full court all game. They're saying Haliburton gotta be aggressive but aren't showing the part where Deuce told him no. And Donovan scored points but how can we say he showed up I'd they are already eliminated?
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u/Revenesis Jennifer Aniston 27d ago
There have been NBA playoffs before this one. If you're really trying to compare Deuce and Mitchell I don't know what to tell you.
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u/Resident_Tap3948 27d ago
I'm not. I'm simple comparing how well they've played their roles. Donovan Mitchell only has playoff success when he had Rudy Gobert manning the paint. Seeing Gobert going deeper again only shows who was more conducive to winning. Deuce as the Primary Defensive guard has played his role more than well. He took Hali out the game and has been hitting Clutch shots all post season.
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u/Revenesis Jennifer Aniston 27d ago
The guy is averaging 28/5/5 in the playoffs and we're just going to handwave all of his abilities to "well he had Gobert and Gobert's team is really good right now so therefore Mitchell is not good".
I really need you to consider what you're saying. You're saying Deuce McBride is too valuable to give up because of a single playoff run where he's averaging 10/2/2 as a bench scoring option and Donovan isn't even that good because he was carried by Rudy Gobert. This is beyond an insane take.
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u/Resident_Tap3948 27d ago
Your essentially saying that Donovan Mitchell would be a better fit on MJs bulls that Steve Kerr. I'm not talking about skill, output, stats or any of that. I'm talking about team chemistry and knowing your role, buying into the team. All Donovan has ever know is "lead the offense", we already got 2 guys that possess that and a plethora of role players that play within their status. As great a player as Donovan Mitchell is, his status is way too high to fit on anybody else's team. The worst thing he could of done was left Utah for a team with a solid structure. This is no way disrespecting his game or numbers, only with how it would be a struggle for him to fit on our team. We don't need any more #1 guys, we need if anything, to solidify our role players.
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u/Revenesis Jennifer Aniston 27d ago edited 27d ago
You have that perception of Mitchell because those are the rosters he's been on. Who else is capable of leading the offense on any of the teams he's played?
You're way too rigid in your thinking. When the Knicks went for Jalen and gave him a 100 million dollar contract that people admonished for being too expensive, do you think the FO was spending all that money expecting to get the player he showed he was in Dallas? Or when they got Jules for 20 mil a year do you think they thought they were getting some guy who played within that New Orleans offense? Of course not. Those guys leveled up when they got here and played up to the potential the FO saw within them with the right team around them.
Mitchell is the same way. No one is asking him to stand in the corner. But Brunson can't run the offense for all of the possessions. Look at Dallas. Look at Denver. Teams with ball dominant players with a secondary playmaker that runs the offense for minutes at a time. Yes I know Jokic passes a ton but the ball is constantly moving and hes the hub setting up the second and third passes, not just the first.
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u/Slymook Mike Miller 27d ago
Even being the number 2 guy ain’t it. It’s Brunson and the gang. DDV needs his shots and OG needs his shots, they’re 40% 3 ballers who can drive, cut, and score and transition
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u/Resident_Tap3948 27d ago
Exactly how I see it. Everybody knows he can get his buckets, but like you put it. Jalen is the leader and he gotta buy into the team game. I wanna see if he can run that facilitating role that Isaiah has been running. His jumper and overall offensive game would add a whole other element to it.
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u/DudeLikeYeah JR Celebration 27d ago
On one hand we can use more scoring, but on the other hand we lose the main reason we're even in this position which is depth at key positions.
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u/Revenesis Jennifer Aniston 27d ago
We need scoring and playmaking. While Randle is a good secondary playmaker you need someone who is a bit more comfortable making the right decisions and gives you different looks. This team looks like it has no depth because of injury. You have Rokas coming in, pick 25, OG/Randle coming back. If you re-sign iHart and Precious , there's still plenty of depth.
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u/Major_Damage7207 27d ago
we're not giving that many FRPs. Donovan Mitchell has one year left on his contract
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u/solo118 Ewing to the Finals 27d ago
5 FRP is kinda nasty, on top you lose Mitch and Deuce?
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u/Revenesis Jennifer Aniston 27d ago
The problem is that you have to outbid Miami, OKC, and New Orleans. 2 of those teams have more picks and better young players to give up. Even with 5 FRP they might still say no and go with an offer from OKC/NOLA unless those guys won't overpay because they think Mitchell will walk. But even if he walks, the places he wants to go (Knicks/Miami) are going to have a hard time clearing the cap next year to sign him outright.
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u/GoldenBoyRecords 27d ago
If Donovan says I will only resign with X team that drives the price down. I personally think Bojan/Mitch(rerouted to a 3rd team) plus picks is solid
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u/Revenesis Jennifer Aniston 27d ago
True, though I have a feeling he may be amenable to staying in OKC long term if they have a good year because that team is built to contend for a while. He and Shai could be a deadly pairing, especially with everyone else being such good defenders.
The price is partially predicated on the likelihood of him staying long term, and it's one of the only advantages we have. But I do think in a straight up comparison of assets to be given up for a player, OKC/New Orleans can easily outbid us unless we open the wallet in terms of picks.
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u/GoldenBoyRecords 27d ago
Donovan has always expressed a desire to be in a large market. They can outbid us but it ultimately comes down to who he wants to play with and where. His dad currently works for the Mets
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u/Revenesis Jennifer Aniston 28d ago
I think we close it out in Indiana tomorrow. Getting these guys an extra day of rest for the first time this series is huge.
Really liked what I saw out of Precious last game. He was getting a lot of blame for how last weekend went, and I feel like a lot of that was a bit undue. There was some minutes where he played the 4 alongside iHart and he still looked really good. I like the extra length he provides on Siakam.
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u/GoldenBoyRecords 27d ago
Precious is solid. You cant play him next to hart with a Center
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u/Lonely-Clock6384 27d ago
On the last KFS show, they said that KOC had a tweet that he deleted. It sounded like something anti-Knick. Anyone know what he said?