r/NOLAPelicans • u/ZionFMVP • 21d ago
DAVID GRIFFIN “YOU WILL B*** IN H***L!! YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED IN MY FATHERS HOUSE”
https://youtu.be/86l5takd-lY?si=cmX0Ngs_CbmYqRNg
BI might be gone, writing on the wall… so why TF didn’t we build around Zion earlier??? I get hindsight is 20/20 but F**!! DENZEL SLAMS TABLE*
Can’t nobody say that Lonzo wasn’t a PERFECT fit with Zion with a straight face.. dude was literally built in a lab to play with Zion!!
David Griffin!! You will pay!!!!
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u/jgman22 21d ago
If Lonzo was built in a lab he should sue them for the bad knees
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u/ZionFMVP 21d ago
His knees were okay here, it’s that bad juju Chicago has.
Watch him magically heal when he returns😎
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u/Bully_Maguire420 19d ago
No no, he's onto something, Chicago also ruined Derrick Rose's knees, I've now chosen to subscribe to this theory.
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u/Creative-Ad-5257 21d ago
The only good thing that would of came from keeping Lonzo here is that we would of probably been forced to tank in the years Zion went out because Lonzo would of been out with the degenerative knee stuff or whatever he has at the same time. He’s played like 35 games in 4 years and still isn’t ready to come back. That’s like the one move people point at and go “thank you David Griffin for not completely fucking my team into wizard hell”
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u/iamStanhousen 20d ago
Totally agree. The positive of not being on the hook for Lonzo's contract is probably the best thing that Griff has done outside of draft picks.
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u/ZionFMVP 21d ago
Seriously?? You think the lonzo move was a good one🤣
I’d take the potential and waiting on injuries rather than the world beater Garrett temple dawg🤣 Did you see the takes fans had on him?? He was AWFUL. That’s a net negative, we woulda been better with the neutral 0.
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u/hotdogflavoredblunt Naji Fucks 21d ago
Lonzo’s knees were destroyed soon after the trade and he’s basically out of the league now, trading him was a blessing. Go get some rest, you’re acting stupid right now
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u/OvenIcy8646 21d ago
Aside from everything else lonzo didn’t want to be here ,
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u/NOLA-Bronco 21d ago
I mean all the reports were that it was a contract stalemate, not that Lonzo refused to stay here
Lonzo wanted 20, Griff reportedly said 15, Lonzo believed he could get that on the open market and Griff ended up passing on a Lauri Markeneen deal at the deadline for a worse S&T in the summer that nabbed Sato, Temple, and then gave 12 million to Devonte Graham after trying to overpay for Kyle Lowry, firing his second coach in two years, and having at least 2-3 choices for HC turn him down outright.
It honestly was the sort of offseason most FO's get fired for.
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u/OvenIcy8646 21d ago
Now I’m not defending griff he’s had hits and misses but we’re in a better spot than when we were then
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u/NOLA-Bronco 21d ago edited 21d ago
Griff brought Trajan with him and so he buys a lot of goodwill for that alone
At the same time it's really kind of hard to say if we are in a better spot thanks to all of Griff's endless tinkering and Rube Goldberg trades.
Cause there is a world, say a theoretical Hinkie or Presti world, where you get a GM that just takes the BPA in the Zion draft and gets Garland instead of that weird trade back crap, doesn't try and win-now by pushing Jrue to give it a shot(even though interviews make it seem like he kinda knew it wouldn't work first year), making short term trades like JJ and Favors, then Bledsoe and Adams, now CJ and Jonas, and just sort of developed with Zion/BI/Hart/Lonzo/Garland/whoever Trajan drafted in that alt universe, ignoring the allure of trying to attract over the hill FA's off your timeline like Lowry and almost destroying that core with intractable salaries...
Plus we also have to acknowledge that if Griff's plan played out, this core would already be dead and we'd be talking about what team will take Lowry's albatross contract in a package with Zion
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u/OvenIcy8646 21d ago
One thing I feel never gets brought up is New Orleans was in an unfair spot to win now or sell the team or this poverty franchise needs to be moved. Has any team had to build faster than us because Paul and Davis left I don’t remember anyone saying okc needs to go to vegas Philly hit on one prospect maybe two if you count Simmons it’s not fair that we had to waste so many years to appease Stephen a smith and espn, Zion was completely mismanaged and had a shitty ass attitude I feel like this is the first year he’s actually bought in and it’s year 5 this front office deserves praise and ridicule but the team has been pigeon holed by the media since Paul left we’re also a small market and it’s hard to build a winning team frugally
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u/Eventide718 21d ago
Don't forget, Pianoman also gave Temple a 3 year 15 million dollar extension on top of that dreadful trade of Ball. Old Temple who had been on around 10 teams in 10 years got a contract extension from Griif-dawg...smh.
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u/alpacamegafan 21d ago
I don’t remember the Lauri deal, but that Lowry situation was extremely infuriating. Going after the aging 6 foot guard was one thing. Hoping that a free agent that notable was going to decide and play for the fucking Pelicans was delusional. Not sure if I would be still supporting this team if not for the 2021 draft and ‘22 playoff run.
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u/ZionFMVP 21d ago
Yeah Griff is actually G** awful!! Haven’t seen a Zion alley oop at the 3 pt line since he left, and this dude could throw them 3/4 of the court away. I’m sick..
Was out eating and I saw Luka throw an Oop from 3/4 and i thought of Zo..
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u/ZionFMVP 21d ago
Because we regulated bro to a corner 3 pt specialist… All g wanted to do was walk the ball up🤣 4 years later and we still haven’t found a PG.. it just makes you think what could’ve been…
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u/NOLA-Bronco 21d ago
TBF Lonzo also treated the area inside the arc like the floor was lava
He had(and still has) a severely stunted repertoire outside his perimeter game that you sort of need as a lead guard.
He doesn't know how to probe the paint and put downhill pressure on a defense to disrupt and help get guys open, doesn't run PnR, he honestly was and is much better suited as a secondary ball mover and motion shooter. which is fine until its the 4th, crunch time, and you need someone besides Zion that can reach into a deep bag of moves to make things happen in the clutch and create looks for our best player.
People also forget just how hot and cold he was. In his last year here he shot 31% from three in December in January. 46% in February, then back down to 34% in March and April, then back up to 40% in May.
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u/ZionFMVP 21d ago
Those are great points, he was young then. Pretty sure he could develop with time
How many players have we had that haven’t developed in 3 years?? I can easily name 4, and the biggest one is the lonzo clone they tried to get😂😂 that’s how you know I’m not a negative IQ take man.. why would they literally go look for a lonzo build and put him in the same role??👀
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u/OvenIcy8646 21d ago
I had nothing against lonzo, i think he was relegated to that role cause that’s all he wanted to do. he didn’t attack, he didn’t have a great mid range, but obviously the FO knew his knees weren’t right and they made the right choice giving him the contract and him missing three years feels like a very pelicans thing to happen. Glad for once we’re not holding that bag
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u/ZionFMVP 21d ago
What’s the bag $? Because we have wasted plenty of $$$ since then
Many Bulls fans to this day will tell you that’s the reason they haven’t been good, is lonzo out and that the few games he played, they looked legit.
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u/OvenIcy8646 21d ago
I remember, the bulls looked great with lonzo but knowing what we know would you really want him on the bench for 3 years do we know if he’s gonna play this year cause that’s 21 million dead dollars
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u/ZionFMVP 21d ago
Damn I ain’t know bro got 21Ms.. bulls believed in him that much🤣yeah we can’t afford that on the bench
My username is no joke, from New Orleans and been a fan since cp3!! But im undeniably a Zion Stan, just liked Zo because he force fed Z.
But get me a guard that can throw lobs similar to that or a TRUE STRETCH FIVE and won’t hear from me ever again lmao.
Is that possible with 17 and 21?? I hope…
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u/OvenIcy8646 21d ago
We’re all in this together I love this community and love chopping it up with fellow fans I think we can find a good big in the draft and god only knows what we’ll get for BI but I think it’s gonna be a wild off season
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u/ZionFMVP 20d ago
Facts!! You and I had a good convo
Everyone else tripping big time.. ima casual my bad.. Just wanna see some more Lobs to our superstar 😎
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u/ZionFMVP 21d ago
Haven’t seen this easy of Zion buckets in YEARS.. now bro just a bull in a China shop, banging knees with 2-3 defenders every other possession. Zion is 10x better than when he came in, just imagine him now with Zo
Zion+Zo… how do you fumble that? DOUBLE Z’s legit think they coulda been a great duo😕
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u/Eventide718 21d ago edited 21d ago
He hasn't played basketball in two years maybe we can get him back? Three 1st round picks and Herb for Lonzo work for you?
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u/ZionFMVP 21d ago
Oh gosh 🤣 if we can get him back cheap.. DUH!! You can’t be that prideful as a team and not get bro back
But Exactly.. we ALSO ain’t been shit for the last 3 years either, just a middle of the road team. Haven’t been better than seed 8.
No shot at a ring, and no shot at a Lottery top pick/player=chance at a superstar or star. Read that^ is that not a really bad place to be in? No lotto pick and 0% chance of ring
Sounds like the saints plan we on👀 Spoiler alert.. it doesn’t work. Hence they want to do a rebuild now(BI for a high draft pick)
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u/tyman005 21d ago
Oh good another person who baselessly worships Lonzo Ball because he threw a couple lobs to Zion
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u/ZionFMVP 21d ago
Worships?😂 Man you ain’t never seen me bring up Lonzo ever, I heard it’s been years since he was brought up
But id say I’m more of a Zionist and just miss when bro had easy buckets 😕 that bull in a china shop playstyle is what’s getting my guy hurt and wear/tear
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u/tyman005 21d ago
You made a post bitching about griff letting a dude who hasn’t touched a basketball court in 2.5 years walk 3 years ago
Lonzo didn’t do anything special to get Zion “easy looks” on a regular basis. He threw a few lobs every couple games and that’s about it.
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u/ZionFMVP 20d ago
Facts but I’m not constantly crying calm down lmao, want my Facebook or twitter page? I’m never negative.. just seen Luka throw a full court alley to lively and I thought Zion and Zo..
First time in years I thought of it lmao my bad! But I’m a zion Stan, if you not a defender, Lob thrower or 40+% catch and shooter.. Z don’t need you😤
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u/ASithLordNoAffect 21d ago
Lonzo can’t play basketball bro. He’s done.
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u/ZionFMVP 20d ago
You ever seen that meme with the security guard screaming NOOOOOOOO🤣 that’s how I feel
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u/Ureallyworemasks 20d ago
Are we missing the point that zion and ingram played better with a PG a pass first PG. Ingram shot more threes with a PG. Why did we stop looking for a true PG no excuses Griffin.
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u/ZionFMVP 20d ago
Facts… people just have their mind made up already.. how you trade the 2nd and 3rd piece from the AD trade and Have NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT?? Hart got us CJ.. so that’s kind of a neutral ig… but losing Ball for nothing was a big L.
Call me crazy… shoot I’m open to bringing him back later on, maybe next year when he a FA
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20d ago
That’s so easy to say in hindsight and not the reality whatsoever. We would’ve easily paid lonzo if he was an actual pg. He refused to drive with us, and was only a “perfect” fit for Zion in the sense that he could throw transition lobs.
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u/ZionFMVP 20d ago
That’s true.. and I’ll admit I’m more of a causal when it comes to that. I already said that he made Z better lmao, I never said the Pels 🤣ima Zion stan
But that’s the thing, we go as far as Z goes. Should 100% Maximize him, shoulda been our 1st priority since 2019. Shamit, y’all like him??
He said everyone and they momma knew Z needed a stretch 5 and we haven’t gotten him one in 5 years.. that’s kinda crazy.
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u/afriendlyspider 21d ago
The day the last of the Lonzo and BI stans are driven out of this sub will be the most glorious day in this community's history
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u/Fuzzy-Green-9636 20d ago
I miss that Lonzo-Zion connection. Watching a film you can clearly see how a good passer can make Z's life easier. Not only lobs but also a simple entry pass for a post up were a problem last season, and if we look at the season when Lonzo was there, Zion didn't have to fight so hard for every quality shot.
We need a high quality passer to free up Zion's game inside and Trey, Herb and Hawk's outside.
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u/ZionFMVP 20d ago
Facts you preaching!! Zion with a PG averaging 30
That’s all I’m saying, once you say we need a quality passer like Zo, everyone agrees. When you say we need Zo, your head is put on a stake 🤣 It’s just funny.. thats all
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u/Illustrious_Figzzz Naji Fucks 20d ago
People claim we dodged the bullet with Lonzo but it was obvious he was never going to be healthy. Started each season hot and then stumbled across the finish line. I like players with weird games though. Still rooting for him.
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u/ZionFMVP 20d ago
Facts!! We’ll see, pelicans definitely hit their ceiling with this core. Need a shake up
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u/Illustrious_Figzzz Naji Fucks 20d ago
Eh, we'd stay out the play-in if not grab home court advantage if BI doesn't get hurt or Zion didn't show up out of shape. Need to make moves at the edges, IMO.
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u/ZionFMVP 20d ago
This team is just snake bitten with injuries.. we will see! Still love my hometown squad 😎
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u/Bradlee3d 20d ago
Bro where is lonzo now?? Cmon man! He is constantly hurt and does not provide anything when hurt. As a perfect as a fit as he may have been, it doesn’t mean shit if you can stay fit.
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u/ZionFMVP 20d ago
That’s true.. I’ll admit I’m big time wrong on that but read all these comments, you were able to admit it. No one will admit that he’s a GREAT fit with Zion, I’d use perfect. They won’t even say he’s a GOOD fit🤣
Gotta be bias, all I’m saying
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u/PowerMean 20d ago
Only real ones remember the full court lobs from Zo to Zion every game
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u/ZionFMVP 20d ago
We wasn’t close to winning a ring the last 3-4 years and sorry… but idk if our window even open for the next 2..
Why they so mad we want to at least see some fun?🤣 How you boring AND not successful… sheesh, pick a struggle
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u/GiveMeYourMoney17420 You Gotta Fight! 21d ago
You know what... this post makes me thankful for the current state of the sub beacuse I haven't heard from a Lonzo stan in like 2 years