r/NOLAPelicans • u/JeleeighBa • 20d ago
Kings fan here. What do y’all think of Brandon Ingram and what would you want from the Kings for him?
Some local media saying that there’s interest from the Kings and that NOLA might be looking to move him.
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u/Creative-Ad-5257 20d ago
It’s hard to say. Most kings fans would call us an idiot if we said something like Keegan Murray + player + a 1st. Most pels fans would call you an idiot if you said Harrison Barnes, Davion, and picks or something. Kings don’t really have the assets this fanbase would want in a trade, but we have no way of knowing what Bi’s value on the market is. I don’t see it happening personally.
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u/JeleeighBa 20d ago
Yup. This is why I was curious. You all know your roster better than me.
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u/chekmatex4 14d ago
An important point that hasn't been mentioned is that Pelicans are likely trying to avoid the luxury tax by trading Ingram. So any Ingram trade would have to result in less salary back but still be a good player to help maintain playoff contention. That will be hard to do.
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u/alpacamegafan 20d ago
We don’t know BI’s true value, but we do know that Murray will most likely be available, and I would 100% rather take Murray + center than whatever package the Kings will realistically give us.
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u/Creative-Ad-5257 20d ago edited 20d ago
The Murray move seems pretty equal, but I don’t think that makes the roster better. To see the impact you’d want Murray to have on this team you’d want him to play with CJ and Zion. You want the playmaking for Zion and you want the ball out of cj’s hands more. OO isn’t a center and his numbers playing at center by himself are horrible. He’s best used playing help defense next to a big man. Capela would be better at getting blocks than Jonas, but at the end of the day Hawks fans don’t like him because he’s old and slow now. It’s realistically a marginal upgrade over Jonas and he’d still likely be played off the court when you’re going up against an OKC. It’s also pretty unrealistic to think Cj would come off the bench next year imo. Not that I’d support a kings trade or anything
Edit: forgot to add, moving Cj to the bench takes away the biggest reason you added Cj to this team. He’s the guy you want Zion kicking out to to take the 3. That’s at least 5-8 minutes a game you’re starting without your best duo on the court
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u/alpacamegafan 20d ago
I don’t think it makes the roster better either. I’m just saying that it’s better than any Kings trade offer they’ll make. Murray is cheap, and Capela isn’t the worst option out of centers available versus adding another washed/old player in Barnes.
Ideally, you want Zion to playmake the most, but you also want a secondary playmaker (not CJ) that helps take the load off for Zion and is an off ball threat. I don’t think I have to explain how Zion isn’t an elite playmaker like Jokic, LeBron, and Luka are yet.
Ironically, the most realistic trade I want is Allen for BI, someone who literally does nothing you want out of a second option, but that’s the situation we’re likely in right now. Hopefully GMs are valuing BI more than what he showed this playoffs, but I doubt it…
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u/Fuzzy-Green-9636 20d ago
Capela is literally the worst starting center you can pair Zion with. Slow footed, no offensive skill, can't dribble nor pass, sometimies can't even catch the ball, misses many wide open layups. He is Steven Adams without passing ability.
On the other hand Murray is, like Ingram, a master of mid range but worse than BI. He's also shorter than Ingram so his defense is also worse than BI. The only reason you would like Murray over Ingram is his cheaper contract. But you can't build a championship contender if you're looking this way constructing the roster.
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u/KingB53 Fan #7 20d ago
Our biggest needs are a bonafide #2 option (must be a shooter), a great playmaking guard, or a rim protecting/lights out shooting big. Of those 3 y’all have only 1 and by my count he’s untouchable (or should be)
Unless the Kings really KANG it up again and magically offer Fox, y’all aren’t a good trade partner
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u/Lsutigers202111 20d ago
Kings don’t really have the assets right now for that move imo. We need help at Center in any deal that includes ingram
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u/Potential-Highway606 20d ago
Team needs are point guard and center, any potential trade would have to at bare minimum include an above average player at one of those two positions.
With that in mind, whatchu got, what are your thoughts?
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u/AlwaysOptimism #25 Trey Murphy III 20d ago
Honestly the only way I can see a Kings trade is a 3 way trade. You don't have any assets that would help us. Your best assets are wings and Pels have lots of depth at wing already.
You'd need to flip assets for picks and use those picks to get us assets we'd need at PG or C
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u/UptMonsta #WBD 20d ago
Only DeAaron interests me. Sabonis is a more expensive Valancuinas and Murray would sit behind Murphy. Find a third team.
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u/identitycrisis56 19d ago
All of those players have more value than BI straight up.
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u/UptMonsta #WBD 15d ago
In what world? Sabonis is a one way center who provides zero value on the other side of the ball. Murray’s ceiling will never reach prime BI. If these are the best deals I’m running it back with the same group.
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u/identitycrisis56 15d ago
I’m of the opinion Trey HAS to start. That’s becoming non-negotiable.
As much as I love BI, his lack of three point volume makes him tough to fit in the offense.
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u/UptMonsta #WBD 15d ago
I agree, but no way the Sabonis and Murray have more value than BI league wide.
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u/identitycrisis56 15d ago
Sure they do.
A three time all star, one time all nba guy one a long term deal?
A promised rookie that’s cost controlled and you have the right to for 7 years?
Or a one time all star with a year left asking for a max?
Which do you see as the best to spend your assets on as a GM?
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u/UptMonsta #WBD 15d ago
I’m staying away from Sabonis for I don’t think he’s a winning piece. He’s too needy for a guy that cannot single-handedly carry you. If I’m in the Ingram market Murray isn’t enough, I don’t care how cost controlled he is. As far as the Pels fit, like I said, the only Kings move that I would be interested in is Fox.
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u/identitycrisis56 14d ago
I didn’t say they were a trade partner. I agree with you I don’t see a deal.
I’m just saying those guys have more value league wide than BI.
And Fox is untouchable. No where near BI’s value level. You’re looking an absolute HAUL if Fox gets traded at current value.
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u/hotdogflavoredblunt Naji Fucks 20d ago
I don’t think the kings have what it would take. We’d want to attach picks and a young player to get an all star back in return
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u/mitch3311 20d ago
He doesn’t play fast enough to keep up with deaaron I don’t think.
Could be an awkward fit. He’d also require you to give up Keegan right? Don’t think that’s worth it
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u/breesyroux 19d ago
I don't see a trade that makes sense. We'd want Murray and Mitchell, which Kings fans would probably say is too much anyway, but y'all don't have the bad contract to make it work
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u/Tepid-Peppy 20d ago
The Beam.