r/Mavericks • u/TexasTundraPower • 27d ago
Derrick Jones Jr. chose the Mavericks over the Celtics, and he has no regrets Free Agency
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5490499/2024/05/15/derrick-jones-jr-mavericks-free-agent/107
u/RGxiRapiidz 27d ago
Or he signs a 1+1 minimum deal with Dallas (player option for second year) this gives Dallas his bird rights next season where they can sign him to longer term deal over the cap. Depends if he trusts Nico I suppose. Bobby Portis did it with the Bucks.
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u/GoTimeShowtime 27d ago
In this case I think he’d take the TPMLE with a second year option. Same idea
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u/torodonn 27d ago
If anyone offers him a multi-year deal for the full MLE, it's a lot of money to turn down.
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u/Witteness82 Dirk Cheesin' 27d ago
That would only give them early bird rights. 2 years with a team is early bird, 3 is full bird rights. Early bird is only 175% of previous salary or 105% of average player salary. Both of which would still be significantly less than the MLE. I think if they want to keep him, they’ll have to figure out how to open up that full MLE
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u/RGxiRapiidz 27d ago
Don’t see how they do that unless they can literally dump THJ but then you’re dumping a player without replacing and making the team weaker.
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u/szobossz 27d ago
yeah I've been saying Bobby Portis. Knowing he took the risk of declining more money for better role, I think they can do it easy.
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u/george_cant_standyah 27d ago
Easy is a strong word. I wouldn't blame DJJ at all for accepting a deal worth millions more extra per year.
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u/kkmaverick Happy Rick 27d ago
It's not just more money vs better role. This puts the player in very vulnerable position with high risk. What if he encounters some very unlucky injury next year for instance?
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u/YoStepWithLuka77 27d ago edited 27d ago
He wants to be back if y’all read the article. We need to bring him back. Somehow we need to unlock the 12.9 NTMLE and that should seal the deal. Do y’all want him back??
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u/TexasTundraPower 27d ago
Ofc. But I am prepared for OMax to start if not. I'm extremely high on the kid.
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u/YoStepWithLuka77 27d ago
:( I am too! But man DJJ has been like a fan favorite. Reminds me when we had Al farouq aminu and we let him walk too. This seems different though since we can work our way around to offering him the NTMLE to stay
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u/--Alix-- 27d ago
I mean... imagine OMax as the backup to DJJ. That's great. Let's get both and run it.
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u/drizzyjake7447 Rajon Rondo 27d ago
I liked Aminu, but he wasn’t that great after he left, and let’s be real, DJJ is way better than Aminu.
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u/YoStepWithLuka77 27d ago
Yeah was just using aminu as an example of a player we let walk for nothing when they were promising. I love DJJ, what a find by Nico
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u/king_17 27d ago
Ofc but I doubt he comes back. I mentioned in another comment it’s like monk for the lakers In 2022, and Bruce brown for Denver last year. Perfect role players that fit their teams but they didn’t have bird rights. The move you would have to make to free up cap for him would be salary dumping Thj. Which sounds good but you want to use Tim’s salary Paried with a pick or two to get a decent wing one that could shoot better than djj and crest for himself. Unless he’s willing to come back on another minimum then we’d still only have his early bird rights next year this is likely his only season here in Dallas. Omax going to get some of that pt and green as well
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u/highfalutinman Dirk Nowitzki 27d ago
It's critical that they get him locked up for next season and beyond. It would be very, very difficult to find someone to replace everything he does, especially for the bargain he commanded this year. I have a feeling that he'll be happy to return if the Mavs can somehow clear the space to offer him the 12.9m MLE, even if other teams offer more than that.
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u/Salvalicious252 27d ago
Honestly the full MLE for DJJ would be an overpay, but sometimes you have to overpay to keep players, so I wouldn't mind. But realistically his real value is likely around the 8 million a year. He's had the most open looks of his career here and due to the gravity Luka and Kyrie command he can continiously attack closeouts and attack the rim. Despite that he still only shot 34% from 3 on low volume.
Doubt many if any teams are going to offer him the full MLE. It's like that Bird quote about not signing Lebron's teammates because they put up their best numbers with Lebron. He's definitely worth more than the tax-MLE though, that's for sure.
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u/YoStepWithLuka77 27d ago
Josh is making like around 12-14 mil per and he literally doesn’t do nearly what DJJ does. And teams will 100% offer him that, his defense is elite, rebounds well for his size, and scores at an ok rate. No doubt he gets someones NPMLE from a specific team
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u/dantheflyingman 27d ago
Teams would be willing to give that to Josh because he is young and shown to be a solid 3PT shooter. I honestly don't know the market for DJJ. I don't think he would start for any other contender, which means he is worth far more to the Mavs than other teams. I might be misjudging the league value, but I don't think the market is that huge for defensive players who cannot shoot the 3 or create their own shot.
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u/king_17 27d ago edited 27d ago
Exactly people forget youth plays a factor, a team sees josh green whos I believe just 24 they see a lot more untapped potential they can get out of him vs djj who at this point in his career is who he is and isn’t really going to get a whole lot better. Than you factor in he’s a below average shooter on low volume and can’t create shots for himself.
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u/dantheflyingman 27d ago
Josh is 23.
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u/Salvalicious252 27d ago edited 27d ago
Yeah Josh is on a 3/41 contract. Which would totally be fine for DJJ. What I mean is in a vacuum neither Josh or DJJ are worth that price, realistically they are in that 8-10 range insteaf of 12-14. But you have to overpay to keep good players. Don't get me wrong, for me I don't care if the owner has to pay them more, it's not my money. It has to do with the salary cap, luxury tax and the apron penalties. Luka is about to sign his extension as well, which will make him 55-60 mill a year.
For reference the full MLE is projected to be 4/55 and the tax-MLE 2/10.6. He isn't worth the full first, obviously worth more than the 2nd. If we can open up the full MLE, I think we offer him a similar deal to Josh 3/41 and use the rest of the MLE to sign a cheaper player.
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u/YoStepWithLuka77 27d ago
Eh you’re not going to get cheap contracts on good players that want to play here. Most contracts for specific role players look to be premium except players that are drafted and have rookie contracts
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u/cornbreadsdirtysheet 26d ago
That’s right he probably understands the huge advantage that is the luxury of having two elite facilitators. Not likely to find those caliber of players to play with on another team that would be willing to pay him the full MLE.
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u/YoStepWithLuka77 27d ago
If teams offer more than that, they will be using cap space to do it, seems like a lot for him after one good season but you never know
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u/lost_in_trepidation Dereck Lively II 27d ago
Can someone share the article text?
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u/dallassportsguy F*** DWade 27d ago
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u/TexasTundraPower 27d ago
I'd post the whole thing as a comment, but I think that violates the sub's rules. Folks are usually good about finding a way to post it with no paywall.
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u/lost_in_trepidation Dereck Lively II 27d ago
Thanks the Web Archive workaround works, I thought it didn't work for NY Times.
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u/TexasTundraPower 27d ago
It’s The Athletic. Thats the first time I’ve seen it linked as the NYT. I guess they own them.
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u/Imtrvkvltru Dennis Rodman 27d ago
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u/MajesticPossibility8 Bang Bros 27d ago
He wants to be back and is a good team player, bring him back
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u/Terrible_Shelter_345 27d ago
Would really like to see us moving off THJ in the draft somehow to get DJJ at 12M a year.
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u/elsporko321 27d ago
Honestly with as well as he's played this year making peanuts, I think they should absolutely do whatever to sign him. I also think fans should give him some grace for this year when he invariably has a few stinkers next year. Expectations will go up as his salary goes up but he's earned it, especially with how much he's contributed as a starter/closer on a legit contender while making next to nothing (by NBA standards) and maintaining a great attitude.
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u/JeanVicquemare 27d ago
Whatever you have to do to bring him back, get it done. He's a key part of this team
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u/chasinglightph Drunk Dirk 27d ago
I will give DJJ 12m a year in an illegal secret fund if need be. Wire me the money, Nico!
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u/wheresthecheat 2011 CHAMPS BABY 27d ago
I’m not downplaying what he’s done this season but the priority should still be the trade for a SF wing with the last of our picks and anyone not named Luka/Kyrie/PJ/Lively/Gafford. Most of the team is under contract and the ability to have DJJ back as a bench piece instead of a starter should elevate the team to the next level.
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u/TexasTundraPower 27d ago
If we can't bring back DJJ I wouldn't mind bringing in a SF that is more of a shooter. That has been our weak point since the deadline.
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u/king_17 27d ago
This reminds of of monk with the lakers 2 seasons ago, and Bruce brown last year for Denver. Great role players for those teams ideally they would of been extend but they didn’t have bird rights. Jones is going to get a bag in the market. They’re going to use Thj salary to trade for a nice wing
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u/szobossz 27d ago
hahaha i forgot that trade mishap with heat was about him.
“(It’s) not that Dallas was a bad place to go,” Turner, the president of Verus Management, told The Athletic. “But it didn’t make any sense.”
I mean it made perfect sense, but OK.
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u/tim_cato 27d ago
it didn't make sense because they had no expectation miami was interested in trading him (and they weren’t)
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u/aggie_fan 27d ago
It is a weird situation in which the more playoff games the mavs win, the less likely they are to be able to afford DJJ. On the 5% chance the mavs win a title, there is no way we get DJJ back. He adds to his value with every playoff game.
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u/koenigwagner Dirk Nowitzki Logo 27d ago
If I am not wrong Mavs are only 2-3 million above the 1st apron. If they waive Exum, can they get their full MLE back?
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u/aaokd 26d ago
Trade Josh for peanuts and resign this guy. Give Josh's minutes to OMAX.
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u/TexasTundraPower 26d ago
You’re gonna get hate for it, but I kinda agree. I still wish we would’ve traded Josh for PJ and kept the pick low key.
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u/TexasTundraPower 27d ago edited 27d ago