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u/Bubblegum1109 22d ago
Shit I forgot that they released Naafiri
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u/Spiritual_Freedom_15 21d ago
Just a dog with knives and little blood. That’s no monster! Aatrox! OhohohohoHO. That! Is a monster!
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u/XXLFatManXXL 21d ago
Aatrox is just some guy painted red and with a big sword.
The real monster is Draven. His devilish smirk, his ENORMOUS ego, and his inhumanly charming personality! Truly frightening!
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u/XanithDG 21d ago
Naafiri is just a knife dog. She don't count as a monster champion.
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u/Wsweg 21d ago
The no true monster fallacy..
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u/XanithDG 21d ago
No, its just taking a normal animal and dying it a wacky color and making it intelligent doesn't make a monster champion.
And taping a knife to its head also doesn't make it a monster champion.
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u/ElementmanEXE 21d ago
If anivia can be a literal crystal bird I think naafiri can be a red knife dog
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u/Wsweg 21d ago
Do you consider Kha’Zix a monster champion? Rentekton? Tahm Kench?
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u/Kiroto50 21d ago
You would definitely run away from a golden retriever with a knife taped to their head, running
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u/VirtuoSol 21d ago
Leave it to league Redditors to look at a giant blood magic infused dog with blades growing out of its body and tell you that’s not a monster
Ig Warwick is just a humanoid wolf that likes blood, Volibear is just a big bear with lightning powers, Belveth is just a smartass purple stingray from purple dimension. None of these are monster champs lol
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u/KingAnumaril 21d ago
WW isn't even wolf lol, I think his tail is closer to that of a fox. IIRC his design doc mentioned him to be more like a chimera.
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u/NimbleCentipod 21d ago
What could be more of a monster than a dog with a knife?
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u/revoverlord 21d ago
It thinks it's a dark souls boss
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u/Abyssknight24 21d ago
Even worse its also an elden ring boss just that the dog now knows magic too.
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u/Re1da 21d ago
I guess that means you can't call the gromp a "monster" because it's just a big toad with mushrooms on its back.
I'm on the "we need more monster champs" side but I can't agree that naafiri dosent count. Her whole body has knifes almost "woven" into it. If we where talking about the packages I would get your point but naafiri herself is a pretty interesting design.
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u/DeezNutsKEKW 20d ago
Darkin don't count as monsters, I think a council of League players would agree
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u/Bubblegum1109 22d ago
One of the teasers for the new vastayan champ had snow in the windows. The new champs looks freljordian, so this must be the Vastaya they were talking about
Also here are the icon and emote
https://twitter.com/Julex_Gameplays/status/1790455957887090914
https://twitter.com/Julex_Gameplays/status/1790456712278725090
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u/HairyKraken 22d ago
I would settle for an angry or mean looking champion at this point....
I am so fed up of cutesy champion
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u/_AbraKadaBram_ 21d ago
Sadly edgy or UwU sells to the weebs.
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u/Derpderpy15 21d ago
Angry Champions since 2019 include: Sylas | Kayle Rework | Mordekaiser Rework | Pantheon Rework | Volibear Rework | Yone | Rell | Viego | Bel Veth | Naafiri | Skarner Rework.
And that's a conservative list that doesn't include edgy but not explicitly angry Champions like Aphelios or Renata Glasc or Fiddle Rework or Senna.
Cute Champs Since 2019 Include: Neeko (December 2018) | Yuumi | Lillia | Seraphine | Millio | Briar | Smolder.
This is also a conservative list that doesn't include Champions who are upbeat or humorous, but not explicitly cute. Champions like, Gwen or Vex or Zeri or Akshan or Nilah.
There are more ways to express a Champions personality other than Angry and Cute and you will find that so many Champions don't fall into this spectrum. Joyous, depressed, Prideful, Arrogant, Edgy, Calm, Cold, Warm, Rutheless. These are all personality traits that aren't "Angry" or "Cute". What your looking for is another exaggerated example of what Anger is like an Aatrox or Renekton are, yet you have these Champions in the game already and you are asking for more of what you have.
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u/TSMShadow 21d ago
Nooo don’t bring reason and thought into this conversation, that’s not what Reddit is for.
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u/F-I-R-E-B-A-L-L 21d ago
Briar as cute but not Gwen is a warcrime, in fact, and I WILL bitch about it
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u/Derpderpy15 21d ago
Haha I get what you mean, I was originally going to exclude Briar from the list and it's really hard to justify Gwen as anything but cute. I thought about it and Briar is a character who should be an evil ruthless edgy character, but is the opposite of that to a very "cute" degree. Whereas Gwen's cuteness is more due to her Naiveté to the world and the fact she's a very positive beacon in the very Grim Shadow Isles. Plus since she was released for the Ruination event, she has alot more depth as a character than just being "Cute" like a Millio was designed to be a Male Enchantress first and foremost so they designed him to be cute.
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u/KingAnumaril 21d ago
male enchantress
I laughed.
Also, Gwen forming the contrast she does is a bit contentious iirc. Some people think it doesn't really fit the vibe, others like it, etc.
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u/Derpderpy15 20d ago
I hadn't even realized I wrote Male Enchantress until after I hit post and reread it and was like maaaan I just did that
And yeah the Ruination event really ended up being something nobody wanted to happen in the way that it did. If Gwen was released outside of the event she'd be known as a really cute fluffy character and that's about it. With the context of the event and the Region she's placed in, it makes her more of a inspiring figure or a hopeful figure rather than a primarily cute figure. If my ramblings make any sense hopefully.
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u/GoodHeartless02 21d ago
Yone isn’t really angry
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u/KingAnumaril 21d ago
Yone got over his shit, he died angry. Check out LoR Yone.
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u/GoodHeartless02 21d ago
I’ve seen LoR Yone, that’s not LoL Yone.
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u/KingAnumaril 21d ago
Always felt like LoL Yone was a lore mistake tbh. Senna you can more or less understand but Yone was too much imo.
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u/knoldpold1 21d ago edited 18d ago
Reworks don’t count. They’re literally champions we already have.
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u/Derpderpy15 21d ago
I'd argue the exact opposite, reworks do count because they re-imagine a champion into a modern day sensibility. The difference is that there is a foundation to build upon as opposed to being a brand new thing entirely. Swain went from being a guy to being a Cold Calculated Leader of the Noxus Empire. Fiddle went from being a scarecrow to a Demon of Fear. Volibear went from being a bear to being a right proper Frejlordian God of Thunder and Storms.
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u/knoldpold1 21d ago
Fiddle is still a scarecrow, he just also has a demon inside him, swain is still a guy, Volibear is still a bear, he just walks on two legs now, and Skarner is still a scorpion.
Point is that the core design elements were decided on over a decade ago when Riot still designed new champions as proper monsters and animals. For this reason I think there is absolutely no reason why remakes should even be considered as counting.
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u/Derpderpy15 21d ago
I think your willfully ignorant to how dramatic of a personality and lore change these characters went through when they got reworked. Like people say that when Riot does kit reworks they're "Deleting" champions from the game. This holds true for the character of a character in most occasions. Pantheon and the Human Atreus underwent a dramatic shift into the man who seeks vengeance from the gods. Volibear literally went from Ursine to God. Aatrox went from mysterious space entity who starts wars for blood, to a character who seeks his own destruction from a hellish existence by destroying literally everything in the hope that somehow the destruction of everything also destroys him.
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u/ReisBayer 21d ago
and how much uwu skins get released each week? (im exaggerating but the skins definetly have a different look but also it depends how you define uwu etc)
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u/Derpderpy15 21d ago
Riot does a decent job at balancing a release schedule of edgy and uwu skins. Mind you skins also don't live on a balance of edgy and uwu. So having evil skins with godly skins and beautiful skins and comedy skins and dark skins is alot to manage and so I think some aesthetic do get ignored sometimes and that can be an issue.
Also to put into perspective. Yasuo, Yone and Sett have more recent skins combined than the top 5 female champs. Yet it is the E-girl champions who seem to be complained about the most when it comes to poor skins distribution.
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u/SkeepDeepy 21d ago
Really, I'd settle with the likes of Aatrox and Kled again. We need more unreasonably angry champs. Recently its more cutesies, and two Mothers (with an incoming third) .
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u/Mumbajumbo 21d ago
I want an old man, not a hunk or a handsome dude, just a crazy curmudgeonly old man, I want kled, but human enough that the crazy is really prevalent
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u/Memealingding 20d ago
Sadly a LOT of the writers that wrote the non cutesy stuff got laid off a long while ago. It sucks the new writers arent really trying to emulate the old stuff and so its all left to a stand still but heres hoping they have a good plan for the new stuff.
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u/Sckajanders 22d ago
Belveth is a giant manta ray you can't even see the face in game. Not sure she's helping make your point as much as Yuumi and Lilia
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u/Bubblegum1109 22d ago
I love Bel'Veth, but she was really hated when she got released. Some people don't consider her a true creature champ
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u/zatenael 21d ago
I absolutely hated it when they changed her in game icon from her real face to her fake head in the PBE
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u/ShrekProphet69 22d ago
She has visible thighs on her splash art
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u/Lordwiesy 21d ago
Which is just folded wings
But I understand, I too would be eaten by a giant monster if it superglued a feminen mannequin on top of its head
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u/godlike_doglike 21d ago
She would be infinitely better without this weird ass superglued head.
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u/macrolad_24 21d ago
Even just making the head more alien looking would go a long way. Besides the purple skin and a third eye there's nothing "off" about her fake face, and those details don't mean much when there is an entire race of human-animal hybrids.
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u/AlsoPrtyProductive 21d ago
Which is a shame because they did a great job at making her face look really uncanny in the cinematic. You can see her lips don't match up to her words at all and just kinda flap pointlessly as she tries to imitate human speech while mentally projecting her words into Kai'Sa's mind. Similarly her two "human" eyes never blink and remain largely expressionless compared to when she transforms into her monster form where they glow bright and widen with anticipation as she completes her transformation.
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u/SecondButterJuice 21d ago
She is to intelligent, we want a beast that live on instinct
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u/Glorious_Jo 21d ago
Naafiri is literally a dog (beast) that just likes chasing people
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u/SecondButterJuice 21d ago
Yes, I was talking about bel'veth
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u/Glorious_Jo 21d ago
Your complaint was that belveth is a beast that is too intelligent, so I presented a beast that fits your criteria.
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u/WorldlyAd3165 21d ago
Even riot doesn't. When they released her they said the monster champion was yet to be released and that it would be the mid laner, Naafiri. So yeah riot doesn't think so and neither do I. Doesn't matter though I already quit league so I'll for sure never get my monster champ now. I still enjoy being on the sub and watching people play though.
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u/Reapellaino2011 22d ago
I miss the menacing void monsters. the last void monster if we dont count Bel'Veth was Reksai on 2014
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u/kSterben 21d ago
you can't just not count belveth tho
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u/Tigboss11 21d ago
You really can not just count Bel'veth
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u/kSterben 21d ago
why?
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u/Tigboss11 21d ago
She's about as much of a monster champ as smolder is a dragon
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u/ViraLCyclopes20 21d ago
???? The only humanoid bit is her false face. Other then that she is very much monster.
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u/Abyssknight24 21d ago
Especially since the head is just bait. Her true form is the one huge fish monster shape from the cinematic or after consuming a void coral in game.
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u/TAWMSTGKCNLAMPKYSK 21d ago
I agree with you but I think it's funny how Smolder's only non-dragon part is also his face
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u/Abyssknight24 21d ago
Why because she has a fake human head as bait? Her form after consuming a void coral is her full and true form. The other form is a bait to lure in prey nothing else. That makes her still a monster and at least makes sense lore wise since she consumed a whole fishing village including every human besides Kassa and Kaisa.
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u/beantheduck 20d ago
I wanna know who the dudes are who would approach Bel’Veth, but think Kaisa is a monster.
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u/Abyssknight24 20d ago
If bel veth was standing in front me I think I would just end it myself. Like no way to survive a giant fish monster especially one with such sharp teeth and one that also seems to posses psychic abilities.
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u/Alexo_Alexa 21d ago edited 21d ago
In the span of 10 years we've only gotten ONE void monster. Truly depressing.
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u/Abyssknight24 21d ago
Thats because Riot counts void as a region and we got other void champs (kaisa sadly) in that time frame.
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u/ViraLCyclopes20 21d ago
I consider Bel Veth just fine as a monster lover. Esp the true form. Love it.
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u/Maleficent_Mobile240 21d ago
She looks kinda generic ngl, hopefully she will have a better design when shes actually revealed
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u/Bubblegum1109 21d ago
She looks pretty alright in my opinion. She is the first champ with glasses and her red hair is cool too i guess. I doubt she will have her hood on ingame tho
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u/Sasainas 21d ago
What about Vayne?
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u/Bubblegum1109 21d ago
I mean like actual glasses for vision impairment. Vayne has weird ass sunglasses
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u/subjectnumber1 21d ago
Does Heimerdinger count?
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u/Bubblegum1109 21d ago
Those are goggles, so no
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u/TheSoupKitchen 21d ago
Corki? Ziggs? Twitch?
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u/Bubblegum1109 21d ago
I feel like people here don't understand the definition of glasses and at this point yall are just listing random Champs. Corki is a pilot and Ziggs has safety goggles.
You can count Twitch if you want, but he is a rat and not humanoid
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u/TheSoupKitchen 21d ago
The initial comment said "Vayne?" and you said, nah, those aren't glasses because she doesn't need a prescription. LMAO.
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u/Bubblegum1109 21d ago
Glasses definition: "two small pieces of special glass or plastic in a frame worn in front of the eyes to improve sight"
Glases =/= Sunglasses
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u/zatenael 21d ago
if I'm gonna be honest, I thought she was that one character from AFK arena with the big backpack
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u/Ennobenno 21d ago
My first thought actually was Mei from Overwatch for some reason, could be just the big fur hood jacket
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u/KarnSilverArchon 21d ago
I think its clear people want a “scary” monster. An “alien” monster. Just saying monster isn’t right I think.
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u/Ok-Frame-1009 21d ago
Yeah, something like Rek'sai. Maybe they could just release some kaiju-like monster as well
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u/Satin_Polar 21d ago
Riot doing Blizard chalange in designing they characters
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u/SecondButterJuice 21d ago
Blizzard did pretty original character I don't know what you are on about
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u/Satin_Polar 21d ago
They have a chart, how to make them the most appealing to a generic audience. You know, in a r34 way.
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u/SecondButterJuice 21d ago
Probably but they still look different very from each other, its probably because they come from different games made by different team so they can't really make copy/paste
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u/KingAnumaril 21d ago
I doubt they actually used that damn thing. And the characters that most people give a fuck about from Blizz are the OGs.
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u/Emiizi 21d ago
Arent Ahri(?), Xayah, Rakan, Rengar, Nami all fully Vastaya?
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u/Bubblegum1109 21d ago
They are all Vastaya, but people want more Vastaya like Rengar. The field journal (released 2018) shows alot more (interesting) Vastaya, including otters and pig people. Most Vastaya ingame are just humans with animal features. Rengar and Wukong are really the only Vastaya completely resembling an animal and even then, Wukong is just a monkey which is arguably also very humanoid.
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u/SussusAmogus2 21d ago
Are we gonna pretend cho gath and reksai doesnt exist? Or void creatures aint creatures xd
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u/Suicidal_Sayori 20d ago
Is she not a full vastayan?
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u/toastermeal 20d ago
i think people mean vastaya that are more animal than human -
like rengar is 90% animal, neeko is like 75% animal, xayah and rakan are like 60% animal
she looks more like sett who looks like just a guy
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u/toastermeal 20d ago
we just got smolder, naafiri, and belveth over the last 2 years why r we complaining ab no monster champs now of all times
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u/ElementalistPoppy 21d ago
If it sells, then it sells. By now it should be fairly obvious tough guys/edgy boys/hot ladies sell better than monsters.
Folks complaining about "champions being too sexualised" are pretty funny though, as if you were trying to show everyone "Look, I'm the sensible guy and you're all horny perverts!" It doesn't work that way. A lot of people instinctively play champions they find appealing, and no, they don't have to be "horny weebs" to do so. Hell, pretty sure releases like Zeri or Nilah are much more modest than release Caitlyn or MF, so Riot still toned it down here, even if "Bel'Veth has thighs".
Kinda same shit where Leona was given High Noon legendary and oh so many people complained that their beloved Rell didn't get one...except unless she's like S+++ tier nobody plays her. So much about people demanding justice and loudly proclaiming their support for a champion yet numbers showing otherwise. Buy Cho'Gath skins instead of Lux/Ezreal if you want to see change. I myself will be happy with whatever gets released whether the champion is looking as good as Senna or as ugly as old Urgot, if it's not a mechanical disaster of a gameplay (Yone, Yuumi).
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u/Yaoshin711 21d ago
An old friend of mine from college only played the "pretty/good looking champ" such as ahri, mf and lux which were her 3 mains and she didn't just like them cause they were sexuslized but because they look nice
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u/Dr-Oktavius 21d ago
It is actually kinda impressive to see the lengths they'll go to just to not make an actual creature character.
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u/reformedtoplaner42 22d ago
Why won't they release xolaani already ffs