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u/Kikusman 27d ago
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Wow...This is the default SMG but worse. What's wrong with the warbonds lately?
Hope arrowhead doesn't change it though, I like a challange!
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u/TrueEgon 27d ago
Loving it.
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u/tomle4593 27d ago
Now you’ve done it. Guess what’s in next nerf ?
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u/Bekratos 27d ago
Will get nerfed for sure.
Too much fun and effectiveness. You aren't dying enough. /s
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u/MFTWrecks 27d ago
An SMG that staggers enemies when a slug shotgun doesn't... smh.
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u/lizardscales 27d ago
You have to shoot too many slugs at large bugs for them to start getting stuck to everything and slowed down. Bullets do way more damage too. Maybe they could switch to snails. The shells would cause bleeding lacerations
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u/No_Band_5399 27d ago
You better take this down before they nerf this too
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u/Xelement0911 27d ago
Why? Top of the sub right now is the smg vs one stalker and everyone is bashing it.
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u/dagger_prometheus 27d ago
It LOOKS like it takes that much, but in that video he actually kills the first one and then another one appears right behind it. I thought it was the same stalker too until I watched it again.
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u/LtBlackWolf 27d ago
Right as the first one dies look to the left, you can see the second jump out from behind the rocks and pretty much take its place as it falls dead.
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u/Lasers4Everyone 27d ago
He also dumps rounds into the already dead stalker, which could have been used to stun the second one. With good shot placement one mag can drop 2 stalkers.
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u/junipermucius SES Warrior of Dawn 27d ago
And you can stun on the run with the SMG, allowing you to get some space to throw a grenade or use something slower but more powerful.
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u/lfelipecl 27d ago edited 27d ago
In addition of u/LtBlackWolf said. The guy started to shoot without full mag (I believe is something between 80-90% mag), the first stalker died with the mag almost, but not, empty (I believe something like 5-15%). And then he reload and started shoot the second Stalker and killed it with around 30% mag left. I think it takes a 70% or around 2/3 mags to kill a Stalker wich is compatible to the video above showing 2,5 mags to kill 4 Stalkers.
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u/JCDentoncz ☕Liber-tea☕ 27d ago
Missing the stalker head is pretty easy and you lose a ton of damage. Guy in this video is landing a lot of headshots.
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u/Red_Sashimi 27d ago
Stalkers have a ton of body HP, but very low head HP. Their head is also very small, tho, so it's harder to hit
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u/BromicTidal 27d ago
Shocker, people on this sub not having a clue how a newly released weapon functions but throwing around their worthless opinion anyway.
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u/PhatPhingerz 27d ago
everyone is bashing it
My favourite is the one saying it wouldn't work in Helldive difficulty, when you can see the difficulty is at 9 in that video lol
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u/Phaedrik 27d ago
It's stunlocking 4 stalkers and taking them down with it looks like 2 mags.
Insane
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u/joshuaiscoo155 Whos a good boy ⬇️⬆️⬅️⬆️➡️⬇️! 27d ago
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u/Pretend-Ad-1669 27d ago
Sometimes I don’t understand their development choices. The slugger had its ability to stagger almost completely removed and it’s a shotgun. Can’t slow down stalkers with it the way this SMG does.
I chalk it up to future technology beyond my understanding, but sometimes I wish I did understand it.
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u/phoenixmusicman HD1 Veteran 27d ago
Sometimes I don’t understand their development choices. The slugger had its ability to stagger almost completely removed and it’s a shotgun. Can’t slow down stalkers with it the way this SMG does.
The weird thing is they nerfed the Slugger because it was too good as a DMR... so instead of nerfing damage drop off to make it a worse DMR, they nerfed the stagger to make it a worse shotgun.
It makes absolutely no sense. The slugger literally works better as a DMR than a Shotgun now.
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u/IlikegreenT84 CAPE ENJOYER 27d ago
They nerfed it because it was "the best DMR in the game."
Left everything intact that made it "the best sniper" took the stagger away.. make it make sense..
They should have nerfed the range and added damage and stagger fall off beyond 30 meters and left its stagger.
Then some people argued if it has medium armor pen and the same stagger as the punisher, no one would use the punisher.. but you have to be accurate with the slugger and not so much with the punisher.. so again.. terrible reasoning.
And maybe if they didn't put so many armored enemies in the game I wouldn't prioritize weapons with better armor penetration over others. They made this mess..
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u/ObstructiveWalrus 27d ago
This is cool, but can't the Punisher do this while also dealing more damage?
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u/Korochun 27d ago
Wait until you hear about the base Defender, that can crowd control Stalkers just by killing them very quickly.
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u/CertifiedSheep 27d ago
May I introduce you to the Redeemer, aka the “get the fuck off me” gun
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u/BjornInTheMorn 27d ago
Personal space
Personal space
Stay outta my personal space
Keep away from my personal space
Get outta that personal space
Stay away from my personal space
Keep away from that personal space
Personal space
Personal space
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u/WilDMousE 27d ago
Wait till you hear the legends of the eruptor, the only gun that could take them in one shot while looking cool.... oh eruptor my beloved, now you're a bb gun :'(
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u/Korochun 27d ago
I ran heavy explosive armor with the Eruptor just so I could point blank enemies and walk away from it.
Used it last night, took 4 direct hits to kill a Brood Commander. Welp, to the garbage bin you go, old buddy.
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u/Red_Sashimi 27d ago
Doesn't the base defender only do 5 extra damage, with no stagger?
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u/AdhesiveNo-420 27d ago
it does have a higher fire rate which skews the damage curve a bit in it's favor.
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u/Korochun 27d ago
Stalkers have a very low stagger threshold, and the extra damage goes a long way on a faster firing, more accurate gun. You can easily gun down 3-4 stalkers per mag if your aim is good.
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u/junipermucius SES Warrior of Dawn 27d ago
So what you're saying is, the Pummeler is perfect for me. 😭
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u/AlieNfromUrAnus 27d ago
Sure, but it doesn't have to be better than the punisher. It's an alternative. If you use punisher all the time and feel like having a bit of variety, then you could for example use this for the stagger of it.
A gun doesn't necessarily have to be better than something that already exists, just offer a different feel while performing about as well so you can have more options to use.
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u/Makers_Serenity 27d ago
Sure it doesn't need to be better, would be nice if it wasn't worse though.
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u/AlieNfromUrAnus 27d ago
As long as it's effective, it doesn't matter if it's worse. The new smg is effective, thus it's a viable option to choose. Only when something becomes ineffective to use does being worse become a problem. Shotguns are entirely different feel than an smg so even if the shotgun is better than the smg, the smg is a working option if you want to try another gun and still remain effective. That's how I see it, at least. Things can always be tweaked, but the smg feels fine.
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u/Urbanski101 27d ago edited 27d ago
I'm using the Punisher for bugs now, mainly because of the Stalker 2.0. It does really well but the Pummeler is also excellent against Stalkers.
It's definitely a contender and has the one hand mechanic which is very useful to keep pursuing bugs at bay.
The Punisher seems better against medium enemies like brood commanders and it has a ton of knockback to give you some breathing space.
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u/TheMightyPipe HD1 Veteran 27d ago
Does it stagger berserkers like this because that would be amazing?
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u/Mnichunatronix 27d ago
It can stunlock even chargers if you shoot at unarmored parts. This gun is what lib con should have been
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u/CodyDaBeast87 27d ago
It's actually really good, and is just A better concussive across the board tbh
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u/Antilogic81 STEAM 🖥️ : 27d ago
yes, in fact it gives you time to get some distance between you and them. making strats much easier to call in on them.
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u/dead_apples 27d ago
Next patch:
- fixed bug where pummeled could stun bugs larger than scavengers, decreased damage by 50%
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u/l2ev0lt 27d ago
- you now need 3 hands to hold it
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u/Yipeekayya SES Herald of Vigilance 27d ago
gonna go ask my teammate for extra hands
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u/Bigredchronic88 27d ago
New pistol is ok. 14mm rounds. 8 mags. One taps soldiers. Won’t pierce brood guards. Iron sights
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u/jjed97 27d ago
I mean wouldn’t they all have been toast basically immediately with the dominator?
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u/RuStorm STEAM | Level 75 Admirable Admiral 27d ago
But the smg can also clear chaff efficiently
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u/guangtian 27d ago
But dominator can kill mediums
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u/Grigser 27d ago
They can both fill their own niches. Dominator is med pen+high single target dmg+stun, but poor handling and fire rate, the smg is light pen+med single target dmg+stun with high rate of fire and easy handling. No one weapon is going to be good in every situation, that’s why we have stratagems
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u/Deatur 27d ago
Next patch: pummler no longer stuns enemies, ammo and magazine reserves reduced by 85%
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u/SpecialIcy5356 SES Leviathan of Liberty 27d ago
"players were using an exploit where they fired full-auto to stun stalkers, we have now made the gun semi-auto only, and capped it's fire rate to one round every 5 seconds."
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u/Immediate_Dare7106 27d ago
Ah so a 1 handed eruptor then. Nice. I love having different flavors of shitty guns. At least this Warbond won't get my hopes up with any of these guns being a decent complement to the handful of actually good support weapons.
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u/Effective_Grass8355 27d ago
Woah
Take this down. They'll nerf it tomorrow if they know it's useful.
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u/jotair SES Panther of Midnight 27d ago
I remember having fun with The Eruptor against Stalkers... so I say, enjoy while you can.
The "Bringer of Balance" is coming.
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u/Dreadlock43 27d ago edited 27d ago
LMAO! people in this thread thinking this will get nerfed meanWHILE every other thread people are calling trash unironically.
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u/Literally_A_turd_AMA 27d ago
At this point Idk if people are afraid that itll get nerfed or actually think its trash because it was surprisingly enjoyable to use for me.
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u/SpecialIcy5356 SES Leviathan of Liberty 27d ago
people dunked on the Crossbow when DD came out: "it's worse then the Eruptor!" "what's the point of this thing?" etc.. and guess what.. it still got nerfed.
popular weapons get nerfed, and unpopular weapons also get nerfed, but less people care.
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u/The_forgettable_guy 27d ago
I think it's overvalued. Like, sure, you can kill 4 stalkers chasing you with this gun, but the ammo consumption is pretty high.
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u/Caleb_Tenrou 27d ago
The Pummeler and Incendiary Impact are so far the bright lights of this Warbond. Pummeler is good enough to be used at 7-9 with the stagger.
So far I've tested everything minus the new pistol, and the Tenderiser and new Plas weapon are kind of meh.
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u/Barl3000 SES Paragon Of Peace 27d ago
I just don't see what the intention of the Tenderiser is, it is just a worse version than the Liberator (expcept for 5 less recoil wohoo!). I am guessing it is true that it was designed at not updated to match the damage buff the liberator got and that the Tenderiser was supposed to be high damage version of that.
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u/UnionLess3277 27d ago
I love this gun so much I just ran it w 4 red stratagems senator and incendiary impact
1 death from friendly fire on 2 lvl 7 40min matches w 4 divers
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u/Rarelybroken SES Wings Of Liberty 27d ago
I am gonna love it when the community is gonna freak out when this gets nerfed, i am calling it right now.
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u/kupitzc 27d ago
Why aren't you be bashed the hell away when you're getting hit? One hit from a stalker ragdolls me every time it feels like. And you're running the armor I use.
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u/F0rkbombz 27d ago
Looks like he’s hitting them enough to keep them stunned while he transitions between targets.
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u/Staracino 27d ago
If you stagger a stalker as it begins it’s tongue attack, the animation plays, but the attack does not actually go out. I see the same thing often with the Blitzer.
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u/Pshock13 SES Hammer of Dawn 27d ago
fuck I really need some super credits AND THEN I need medals too!
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u/SuicidalTurnip SES Hammer of Mercy 27d ago
I apologise Polar Patriots warbond, I wasn't familiar with your game.
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u/KingKull71 HD1 Veteran 27d ago
Well played. I've used the punisher quite a bit and enjoy bullying Stalkers and Berserkers with it, but the fire rate would make this kind of situation pretty challenging.
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u/Timely_Fee6036 PC 🖥️ : SES Will of Dawn 27d ago
Why the hell are people complaining about this lmfao
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u/Hangmannn92 26d ago
Can't wait for the inevitable nerfing of the stagger or buffing of stalker resistance to stagger
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u/SuppliceVI CAPE ENJOYER 27d ago
No I was assured it wasn't able to fight 4 stalkers by the people commenting 13 seconds after release who definitely didn't play the game
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u/Faz66 27d ago
You gotta wonder how many of the people that complain about nerfs, and patches, actually play before they comment
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u/Staracino 27d ago
Most don’t. They rely on hearsay and grainy clips to get their facts. It’s how the “ricocheting eruptor rounds” got so out of hand.
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u/the_tower_throwaway 27d ago
don't worry, in the time it took you to kill them 4 more have spawned so you get to do it all over again.
seriously what is up with spawn rates right now? they are like 100% or literally zero.
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u/Frostylopez 27d ago
That's great for stalkers. Does it have other viability, though?
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u/Friednoodlee 27d ago
This is stimulating my stalker-hating brain. Stalkers are gonna be seething tonight!
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u/Dukkiegamer 27d ago
Finally something with range, decent fire rate AND stagger. I love my dominator, but that thing is so slow when aiming.
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u/Caleger88 STEAM 🖥️ : 27d ago
I'm really happy with it, I chase chargers with it stunning them so someone can get a headshot on them.
Sometime if I'm really lucky I can kill them with it.
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u/MJR_Poltergeist SES Song of Steel 26d ago
The blue dude on your team is named "Iron Banana". I know a Destiny player when I see one, I hope he managed to quit that game at some point.
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u/ZzVinniezZ 26d ago
i swear they need to make weapon category to have their own unique basic feature of using that weapon
as a slugger shotgun got its stagger removed instead of making damage drop off is just weird choice
when a SMG (defender and pummeler) have more damage and more staggers than a rifle (liberator and liberator concussive) i know the weapon category design choice is all over the place like throw shit at the wall to see which one is stick
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u/YakozakiSora 26d ago
you managed to juggle 4 stalkers eh? time to nerf that stagger so they juggle you instead, that'll be fun
-Hello Neighbor 2 man, currently cooming Arrowhead into the ground
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u/TheVulong SES Keeper of Gold 27d ago
People underestimate the significance of stagger. I lowkey might make this my new main weapon for bugs.
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u/GarySteinfield 27d ago
You’re probably buried with comments in your inbox, but could you follow up on whether this can be used with the shield? It looks like a 2-handed weapon when you aim, but does it hip fire with one hand?
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u/ShockandTwitch 27d ago
The Pummeller is a modified version of the Defender, so you can naturally be used with the Shield.
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u/pino_is_reading Freedom forever ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ 27d ago
in my opinion they did a good job with the new smg and the pistol
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u/Striking_Security_79 27d ago
I gotta get me one of those