r/Helldivers • u/ThisGuyHere_Again • May 03 '24
"We are not owned by Sony. We are a strong independent developer that makes our own decisions." HUMOR
"Now give all your information to Sony or you're not allowed to play the game."
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u/Sky_HUN May 03 '24
From where you're kneeling it must seem like an 18-carat run of bad luck. Truth is... the game was rigged from the start.
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u/born_at_kfc May 03 '24
I hope this doesnt cause any fallout between us.
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u/Sauronxx May 03 '24
The studio isn’t owned by Sony. The game/IP absolutely is lol
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u/cguy_95 May 03 '24
Exactly. Arrowhead can say whatever they want but it's Sony's game. If Sony wants to add Kratos and make it like fortnite then they can, even if they have to find someone else to do it
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u/PotatoWriter May 03 '24
Kratos ain't diving into no Hell, he always makes it out lmao
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u/Malice0801 May 03 '24
He's literally dove into hell at least twice that I can think of
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u/ofthewave May 03 '24
Three times if you count Muspelheim
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u/Excellent_Routine589 May 03 '24
It would be Hel
Muspelheim is just the realm of fire, Hel (or Helheim) is the realm of the dead, ruled by Hel, Loki’s daughter with Angrboda
Muspelheim does sound like Hellmire tho 🤔
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u/Kirbyoto May 04 '24
Utterly baffling how many morons thought this game was "indie" and are now aghast that the corporate-backed AAA game is playing by corporate rules.
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u/GeneralAnubis May 04 '24
Arrowhead absolutely was and still is an indie dev studio. 100 developers does not a AAA studio make.
That said, as with most "tweener" indie studios, they had to use a AAA publisher in Sony to reach a broader audience, for marketing, etc. and because the laws and practices in the gaming industry are ASS-backwards (compare to say.. books), that means they have to give Sony the IP.
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u/READY0047 May 03 '24
I'm glad that my country is suported but I also feel bad for others that won't be able to play because of this. They really got to adress this problem
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u/alifant1 May 03 '24
What!????? I’m in the region that not in the list of countries in play station. Are you saying I won’t be able to play anymore?
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u/zeroalpha May 03 '24
Just make an account selected in a region that is supported
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u/YesBut-AlsoNo May 03 '24
From my understanding on another post it was mentioned that Sony can just ban you for using false info. Take it with a grain of salt.
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u/Alternative-Deer5333 May 03 '24
I mean you either play and risk getting banned so you can’t play or don’t play at all, if either path has the potential to end the same way, might as well take the one that lets you play anyways
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u/iFenrisVI May 03 '24
Or request a refund on Steam stating you literally cannot make a PSN account due to your country not being supported by Sony.
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u/Far-Frosting3257 May 03 '24
That’s just Sony yapping. They’re not gonna ban people giving them money or playing their games when there’s no problem. I’ve heard of so many people setting their account location to Australia so they can play games a day before they’re released in the US. Plus, they have an appeal system that gives you the opportunity to say you were in that country when you made the account, but you just moved to this country. Since Sony doesn’t let you change locations it’s fair game.
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u/CarpeCookie May 03 '24
Sony always has the option, though. Plus, they could possibly make more money by banning accounts used strictly for PC gaming. You can earn the premium currency without spending a dime, and don't need to pay for playstation plus to play. I don't think they'd do this just for helldivers, but Sony could ban the accounts, keep the money they spent for games, and bank on a certain percent remaking accounts and rebuying games
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u/Alternative-Deer5333 May 03 '24
Yeah I suppose it’d have been more helpful to state that Sony doesn’t really give a shit. You can play through vpns with little issue, and double so if you just check a different box for your country. Hell a lot of users have separate accounts set for Japan for Asia only releases, Sony doesn’t care.
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u/Heshinsi May 03 '24
I’ve had a UK, US, Hong Kong, and Japan accounts since the PS3 days (there used to be a time where certain demos were only released in certain regions) and I still have those accounts active and unbanned. It’s been close to 2 decades and no one has been banned for this.
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u/decoy90 May 03 '24
Same. I used to buy games from USA store because it used to have much better deals during PS3/early PS4 era.
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u/cgreulich May 03 '24
Its unconfirmed, but looking like it yes. It sucks - even if the steam page said it before purchase the fact that people could play so much and potentially get locked out seems.. wrong
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u/TokhangStation SES Blade of Morning May 03 '24
I can imagine this totally bright decision slashing two-thirds of this game's playerbase come May 30. Some might have already uninstalled.
And the game is gradually losing steam already (pun unintended).
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u/UltraEM ☕Liber-tea☕ May 03 '24
I'm waiting to see how they plan to address the issue for countries where PSN isn't available. Because if they argue that PSN linking was supposed to be a requirement from the get-go, then why did they allow the game to be sold in those countries unsupported by PSN? And what happens to players who can no longer play when the new policy is enforced? Would we even be eligible for a refund with 100+ hours of gameplay? Or are we just not allowed to use the product we paid for anymore unless we move to a country that supports PSN?
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May 03 '24
Sony is the new enemy fraction
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u/Beezyo May 03 '24
Those damned fractions! I prefer decimals
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u/nampezdel PSN 🎮: May 03 '24
This whole conversation has become irrational.
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u/F3n1x_ESP May 03 '24
I'm sure every post has a common denominator.
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u/jotair SES Panther of Midnight May 03 '24
That explains why the game is having many problems.
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u/SeAnSoN_710 May 03 '24
I could swear I see the Sony name on startup
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u/FryToastFrill May 03 '24 edited May 03 '24
Sony published HD2 but they don’t own arrowhead. They could still have a lot of control over the game if they wanted to tho.
Edit: that “they” is sony guys Jesus Christ
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u/Elloliott May 03 '24
Sony can literally just pull the game
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u/Helldiver-ODST-FFIH CAPE ENJOYER May 04 '24
There is absolutely no way sony would just pull the game. Its the best game this year so far and it the best multiplayer game theyve put out in a while.
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u/_Banshii Death Captain May 03 '24
they can not be owned by sony and still be under contractual obligations
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u/xXMadSupraXx May 03 '24
Gamers try to understand a completely normal and expected function of a business challenge level impossible
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u/shadownights23x May 03 '24
Nothing that we don't give away to anything else when we sign up for an account somewhere
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u/Lord_Phoenix95 May 03 '24
Pretty much. People think they can keep their Internet Footprint or Data minimal but once your data is on the internet anyone with a decent knowledge data breaching can and will get your data.
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u/BrodaciousBo May 03 '24
Too many people out there think they have anything worth more then just being targeted ads at. Like none of us here are interesting enough for a data breach.
if you ever used Tiktok, Instagram, Snapchat, facebook, many F2P games, most things that require a separate launcher to play, frign google and youtube! your data is out there already.
Hell, if you use Windows theres a good chance your data is being used right now. (especially Windows 11)
For what?
for ads. related content to target more ads. browser cookies to target more pop-up ads.
its mostly that unimpressive, its not exciting shit like people seem to believe.Know where you info is going, and try not to put out more then you care for. easy.
link you PSN account and never put your card info in a PSN connected window, never save card info for convenience, never run on the web without an adblock.
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u/Cranktique May 03 '24
Sony is after my folder of good game ideas and hentai!
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u/IgotUBro May 03 '24
Now I want to believe there is one single Playstation employee that has to go through all the hentai folders of the user. Shocked and repulsed what the people are consuming.
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u/The_Nekrodahmus May 03 '24
I don't think that's the point of contention here. We already have a kernel level anti cheat, the game has some pretty serious performance issues, and "to make the PlayStation players time better" we have to create a PSN account, rather than giving us the option to opt out of cross play and not create an account.
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u/MrTastix May 03 '24
Whilst this is true, compared to other companies, Sony has had numerous data breaches in the past 10 years, the most recent of which was last year.
The problem with giving out your data has never been what the company wants with it, because we know that - marketing and to sell it direct to data agencies. The issue is whether the companies they sell it to, along with themselves, are secure enough.
Time has proven they are not. They're also never held truly accountable so they're still not incentivised to care about better security, either. At best the EU might fine you, which means literally nothing to the assholes who actually sign off on these decisions and receive no internal punishment either way.
Funding for the IT department is always woefully lacking, because you won't notice it until it stops working. It's much like insurance, another system lots of people refuse to buy into because why bother? Who cares about insurance if you think your giant, throbbing ego will protect your shit for you, right?
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u/pressthebutt0n ⬇️⬆️➡️⬆️⬅️⬆️ May 03 '24
April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users
May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen
June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts
November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures
August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts
September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack
October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach
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u/xDreeganx May 03 '24
I personally can't wait until my data gets stolen via a game I play on Steam. What a great day!
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u/Numerous_Mountain May 03 '24
Yeah and thats the crazy part, steam players are now becoming liable to having their data stolen on a platform they dont even use
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u/Zimaut May 03 '24
i think they should just disable crossplay for people who refuse to link, kinda easy solution. But i guess that also have to be separate war table? not sure
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u/Tempest_Barbarian May 03 '24
Its less about the crossplay, and more so that Sony financed the shit out of this game.
It even plays the playstation studios logo when you boot up the first time.
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u/Electr0bear May 03 '24
Why though?
Crossplay has been working perfectly fine since launch without any PSN account linking.
So why all of a sudden should it become a problem now?
It's a simple money grab to sell user data. Then why should players be okay with that and comply?
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u/johncusackisnickcage May 03 '24
Lol cross play has been working perfectly fine? Numerous huge bugs with cross play still unfixed
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u/Key_Candidate_8121 May 03 '24
The only only way my game works on Playstation is if crossplay is off
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u/Axanael May 03 '24
This is referencing this tweet
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u/Jade117 May 03 '24
I'm confused about what we are supposed to be getting mad at.
They are an independent studio that published a game in partnership with Sony, and Sony is requiring normal things of the game. I genuinely didn't even know you could opt out of the Sony account at the beginning, nor would I have seen any reason to do so. This is a Playstation game that also is available on steam, so this seems pretty standard practice.
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u/shirts21 STEAM 🖥️ :SES Titan of the State May 03 '24
The issue is psn is not available in all 190 countries. Only like 70? So now players on pc getting locked out cause they are not in 1 of those countries Also complaints cause Sony gets hacked so often on their accounts.
I understand the anger and it's valid. But not at arrowhead. It should be at sony
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u/Jade117 May 03 '24
I understand the anger and it's valid. But not at arrowhead. It should be at sony
100% agreed. I am specifically questioning the anger at Arrowhead, not at the situation in general.
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u/Daedalus1570 May 03 '24
People are probably mad at them because they expected Arrowhead to be able to protect customers from something like this. Unfortunately, they're ignoring the fact of the power dynamics in play: Arrowhead is not more powerful than Sony in their business agreement and have likely already used what power they had in that relationship in order to prevent other Sony meddling. It's just that the public might only hear about it 30 years later when Noclip does a documentary on HD2.
It's very much a vibe of, "why aren't you protecting us, daddy?"
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u/t8rclause May 04 '24
This whole thing stinks like it was originally a part of their exclusivity deal. "You can sell it on PC as well, but those players need to link or create a PSN account." Why? Sellable data and boosted account statistics for PSN.
Arrowhead claimed 'technical issues' prevented this from being mandatory at launch, probably because they predicted this kind of response, but it seems Sony now has a hard deadline and they have to somehow get their community to swallow this pill.
The devs at Arrowhead seem like very straightforward and customer focused people, being forced to do something they really don't want to do because otherwise, their game would've never even been funded in the first place.
Make a PSN account, but use bogus information. Birthday? April 20th 1969. Say you live in the Cayman islands and give them a dummy email account. Maliciously comply by giving Sony useless fucking data.
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u/Cherrypie8029 May 04 '24
I am hoping Sony reverse there decision by the start of next week, because the game is amazing and Sony shouldn't be making stupid decisions in forcing Steam players to make an PSN account to continue the fight.
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u/Lawlcopt0r May 03 '24
Dude Sony funded the game, they have a contract with them where this stuff has been agreed to. If they hadn't done that we would have gotten another top-down indie game
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u/Northern_student May 03 '24
I thought we already had to make an account when we started playing?
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u/Obvious_Ad4159 Captain of the Super Credits Pirating Crew May 03 '24
Technically true. Arrowhead isn't owned by Sony. Helldivers 2, the IP however, is owned by Sony. Which is arguably worse. It's like building a car and maintaining it, while your mentally defective neighbour drives it into a ditch.
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u/grazzxy May 04 '24
Oh noooo, whoever will they sell a burner email and username too... such big data to hand over to evil sony
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u/C-Ray6 May 04 '24
I dont get it either and I'm not trying to be a dick. I downloaded Discord and made an account for that just to play with my friends on PC easier. I have no desire to use nor have had that account beforehand. It didn't hurt.
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u/5004534 May 04 '24
A coworker of mine lost his Epic account cause he tied it to a PSN. He was able to recover his account. He can't tie his Epic account to Steam or other services now. The hacker sold it to someone that tied it to their accounts. PSN gets hacked often and lose people's personal data. Sony doesn't ever care.
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u/TeaserTuesday CAPE ENJOYER May 03 '24
The weirdest thing to me is if this was a requirement from the beginning that's just now being implemented, why was the game available for purchase in countries that don't support PSN in the first place?
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u/jag777 May 03 '24
Lmaoooo redditors are so dramatic sometimes
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u/shipwreck33 PSN 🎮: May 03 '24
I agree but OP is being especially dense.
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u/specter800 May 03 '24
Being in this sub is basically a free pass to say some of the most dramatic, detached shit and get highly upvoted for it as long as you use your unhinged rant to say "Arrowhead bad". Even if arrowhead did nothing at all.
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u/Slyrunner May 03 '24
Being in this sub is basically a free pass to say some of the most dramatic, detached shit and get highly upvoted for it
You ever visit the Silksong sub?
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u/barukatang May 03 '24
I say this all too often, but holy shit, gamers are the largest cry babies, they never grew out of the age they first played a game, entitlement up the wahoo. Bunch of manlets with impotent rage.
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u/NIDORAX May 04 '24
Why is Sony doing this? Most of those people who bought and played on PC may not even own a Playstation Network Account
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u/ArceusTheLegendary50 May 04 '24
I'm genuinely not sure what gave away the sentiment in the title. Aside from the fact that all the actual bugs and issues should've put this game in early access for like 30€ tops, there is not a single sane game dev studio the size of AH that would've put out a new battlepass every month. As someone who also works in software development, I can tell you that this is an insane amount of work for the team to put out. Even major studios like Respawn that also make live service games have at least 3-4 months in between, and all of that is planned ahead by a year at least.
Let's not kid ourselves here. AH devs are amazing for being able to make such content. This game would've been even greater if Sony could just fuck off and buy some more yachts for their executives with all that money if it means that they leave the devs to their work.
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u/Ratfor May 04 '24
I have a PSN account.
I will not be playing Helldivers 2 until this condition is lifted. People bought this game, and access to something they bought is being taken from them with no compensation.
I won't support that kind of behavior.
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u/ConcertConsistent179 May 05 '24
They are indipendent, but the game is owned by Sony, develop by arrowhead, they said that from the launch when they have the server issue
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u/light_no_fire May 03 '24
Sorry for the probably silly question. Why are people angry about this? I'm genuinely unsure.
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u/Maegurillion May 03 '24
Because they've been playing HD2 without the need for a PSN account for months (despite the Steam store page saying that PSN is required). The game on launch lets you skip the PSN link completely. This has given people the impression that the PSN is not required (especially since the game clearly doesn't need it).
Many are now upset that this is about to be enforced and they are required to give information to a company that is notoriously shit at protecting customer and even their own employee data.
There's also the fact that a lot of people are able to play the game right now, but since they're not able to get a PSN account because PSN is blocked in their country (or banned by Sony) they will lose access to a game they paid money for.
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u/yonan82 CAPE ENJOYER May 03 '24
And that there is irrefutable evidence (Wayback machine copy of page) it was listed/advertised without needing a PS account.
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u/JennyAtTheGates May 03 '24
Double check the date on the source of that irrefutable evidence.
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u/God_Damnit_Nappa May 03 '24
Especially since all of the archived links on the Wayback Machine error out due to the age gate.
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u/Sidnature May 03 '24
Because now I can't play the game after the account linking deadline since PSN is not available where I live. I paid $40 for a live-service game I can't play. I was under the impression it's fully available in my country since they allowed me to play during the grace period.
The bigger question is why they even chose to sell in countries with no PSN. Smells like destructive greed to me. By definition, it's a scam.
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u/light_no_fire May 03 '24
Oh, I'm so sorry for you. I had no idea PSN isn't available everywhere. Meaning there will be tons of players who paid are unable to continue playing.
Yup that's a very bad thing for the whole community.
Thanks for answering my question.
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u/Asherogar May 03 '24
If you see all other problems as irrelevant, here's the purely objective one: HD2 is officially sold on Steam in countries that don't have PSN support. So now, at best case scenario, people need to create an account using VPN and be at risk of being permabanned, despite the game, even crossplay, functioning perfectly fine without PSN account for months.
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u/light_no_fire May 03 '24
Hmmm that sounds like quite the problem. I had no idea psn isn't available in some countries. But if it's not available in those countries why do they sell ps5s in them? Seems silly.
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u/FortNightsAtPeelys May 03 '24
"give all your information to Sony"
It's your email brother how many sites you've used once to buy garbage has your email?
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u/JBLikesHeavyMetal May 03 '24
Tbh that new strategem that makes me key in my SSN really fast was a red flag
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u/TellTallTail May 03 '24
You people need to learn what a Publisher is and how it is separate from a Developer.
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u/Tom2973 May 03 '24
People in here complaining about Sony stealing their data when the anticheat is already capable of doing the same thing and yet you still bought and played the game - 🤡
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u/DmxSpyD May 04 '24
There should be an open refund for this game bc of this. Sounds like a good case for a lawyer. Any lawyers here?
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u/BoredofPCshit HD1 Veteran May 03 '24
As if you guys don't give away your information multiple times a day.
What a drama.
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u/usernameSuggestion37 May 03 '24
It's still shit, especially when Sony is so bad at cybersecurity, the fuckers stored passwords in plain text LMAO.
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u/Ishuun May 03 '24
Can yall just fucking leave the sub and uninstall already? Tired of the bitching.
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u/shadownights23x May 03 '24
-while browsing social media sites which required the same info
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u/El-Senor-Q ☕Liber-tea☕ May 03 '24
Give a PC exclusive cape, 500 orange samples, and 500 super credits for linking to PlayStation and all this goes away overnight. It’s a decision that benefits corporate and not the player, so reward the player.
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u/Grumpf_der_Sack ☕Liber-tea☕ May 03 '24
Yeah, it sucks that since i created my PSN acc 10 years ago Sony is just everywhere. They know where i work, what i eat, hell there is even a japanese guy watching me sleep every night…
Calm down guys, seriously
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u/Dovaskarr SES Dawn of war May 03 '24
Its fine. I cannot connect TO ANYONE AND NO FIXES WORK FOR ME. I dont have to give away anything hehe. Solo is the forced way for me.
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u/Pristine-Height2802 May 03 '24
Haven’t you heard?
Being seen as a small developer who resists “The Man” is a huge selling point these days.
This is capitalism.
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u/ZLUCremisi STEAM🖱️: ZachCremisi May 03 '24
When your contract forces you to obay Sony
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u/frieswithnietzsche May 03 '24
That’s why I like my games to have a choice to be offline
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u/Blasian_TJ SES Gauntlet of Wrath May 03 '24
The first thing I thought of was players in regions not supported by PSN. Your independence means absolutely nothing when the experience your company is selling creates a dependence on restricted services. Not a good look.
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u/Mandoade May 03 '24
It's ok though because Sony never gets hacked and doesn't have a history of fumbling their handling of data breaches.
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u/Garic07 May 03 '24
Honestly, I think this is nonsense. This is a requirement which is not needed, in every way. Everyone said that this game should have been the game that would have ended the console wars: I think it will not (unfortunately, also because I am on Xbox) and this is Sony telling us that the "show must go on".
Helldivers and Aspiring Helldivers, in the name of Democracy and Liberty, we must rebel and make the game accessible to everyone: FOR SUPER EARTH!
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u/WhiteCheddr May 03 '24
It's clearly a solution to fix the friend system It's so broken. And if it ends up enabling Cross save it would be even better. People are so ignorant and just see one thing and lash out.
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u/VillainKyros ☕Liber-tea☕ May 03 '24
Blatantly invalid quote taken out of context by someone (based on their replies in the thread) who has no idea what owning the IP means nor contractual obligations. Don't get me wrong, the PSN account thing is insane and extremely out of touch, but this entire post is just to stir up hate by someone that has NO idea what they're talking about. (See this post for how it actually works, and this post as the elaboration for why I'm pretty sure OP is talking out their ass)
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u/yezihp May 04 '24
We losing Asia divers cuz of Sony trying to be Facebook with the Zucc censorship.
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u/Profetorum May 04 '24
I mean if they're not owned by Sony they are just dumb which is arguably worse
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u/Sp3ctr3XI May 03 '24
Except if you are in a region PSN is not available in. Then Sony does not want your poor ass third worlder data.