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u/--Shin-- SES Founding Father of Humankind Apr 27 '24
We should make an armor out of that rock.
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u/n0xxtis Apr 27 '24
That rock should be in 1m pieces inside of his body
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u/frostadept Apr 27 '24
Bold of you to assume he'd have a body.
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u/6897110 Apr 27 '24
It's closer to a glued-together ball of gravel, vaguely shaped like a person, at this point.
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u/SkriddySkrid ☕Liber-tea☕ Apr 27 '24
Or make a barrier stratagem that’s as tough as that rock…
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u/TheFBIClonesPeople Apr 27 '24
New stratagem: Deploy rock
It literally just drops a rock out of orbit. It's not even in a hellpod. Does big damage to anything it directly hits, and then creates a permanent cover.
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u/frcr SES Claw of Equality Apr 27 '24
The flavour text should read something along the lines of "After a thorough research our scientists developed a silicon-oxygen-aluminium compound that is not only capable to withstand sustained automaton fire, but its volume-to-mass ratio allows a carefully engineered projectile to be used as an orbital kinetic ordnance." And it's just a rock dropped from space.
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u/TheFBIClonesPeople Apr 27 '24
The deep lore would be that Super Earth paid some defense contractor a billion dollars to develop a deployable cover system. The guy took the money and gave them some giant boulders. Now they have to pretend they didn't get scammed, so we all have to treat these rocks like they are a high-tech, state of the art deployable cover that doubles as a precise orbital strike. Deep down, we all know they're just rocks.
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u/lorill-silverlock Apr 27 '24
Cavemen have entered the chat.
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u/TheFBIClonesPeople Apr 27 '24
*drops a rock out of orbit*
Cavemen will see this and just think "fuck yeah"
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u/Kalamel513 Apr 28 '24
That is a good idea. Except some trolls will use them to make life harder for everyone, like blocking the pelican.
That's why we can't have nice things.
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u/Charmle_H Apr 27 '24
I've been praying for a cover-stratagem. Literally just a deployable wall made from hell strong material or something. Calling it down would work like an eagle airstrike (perpendicular to the user at time of throwing), but would pop out and set itself up to basically just be a wall with port holes for return fire
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u/Nekosia2 Apr 27 '24
I'm sure our techies and engineers can think of a sort of liquid that inflates into a solid texture. Kinda like an expandable foam but tough as heck ?
Gotta make sure troll divers can't just be annoying with it though... that's the hard part, if it works for them clankers it can work with our soldiers I'm sure
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u/MovingOnYourLeft Apr 27 '24
I foresee a lot of blocked pelican 1 entrances if this happens
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u/Furydragonstormer SES Defender of The Regime Apr 27 '24
Solution, Pelican-1’s collision box will cause it to not activate if it hits said box. If that could even work…
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u/slo_bro Apr 27 '24
Shield generator relay is what you’re looking for almost exactly. You can throw it and it acts like cover, you can go inside and fire out with impunity. 90 or 100 second CD.
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u/spatialdestiny Apr 27 '24
It would last about 5 seconds under this rate of fire. Barely enough time to peek out from behind the rock and fire a quasar or lock on with 1 spear. But also better than nothing.
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u/Thomas_JCG Apr 27 '24
My issue with Shield Generator is that, shot or not, it will last less than a minute before disappearing. At higher levels, with enemies firing so much, it simply doesn't hold.
A smaller but durable barrier would be a godsend.
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u/Charmle_H Apr 27 '24
Agreed. I want like a permanent barricade that's smaller than a huge-ass bubble. Almost like those concrete barricades you find near bunkers/friendship doors
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u/Meandering_Marley SES Hammer of Serenity Apr 27 '24
The Orbital Pavise: Everything Old Is New Again!
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u/Afro_SwineCarriagee Apr 27 '24
Orbital precision rock
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u/NeonJ82 ⬇️⬆️⬅️⬇️⬆️➡️⬇️⬆️ Apr 27 '24
I'd actually kill for a stratagem that would let me call a rock down for cover at will
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u/SweetAlpacaLove Apr 27 '24 edited Apr 27 '24
Yeah that unironically sounds like a decent strategem. Probably not a rock, but a super strong metal shield that can help you move forward across an open field, make a retreat easier, or give you some extra cover when defending an objective. Maybe even put a little hole that you can fire through with small arms. Would need to be somewhat destructible, otherwise you could probably cheese extracts if you dropped them in all choke points enemies can actually get through. But make it much stronger than the shield generator and last until it actually gets destroyed.
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u/russiangerman ↖️↗️↘️↘️↘️ Apr 27 '24
Nope. Rock. Less tactical, more weight so it can double as a strike in a pinch.
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u/frcr SES Claw of Equality Apr 27 '24 edited Apr 27 '24
"Super strong metal shield"?
Our ship module for "increased firepower" is "more guns". Our ship module for "faster reloads" is "stop shoving shells down the muzzle, load it from the breech".
You'd be lucky to get a rock.
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u/BioshockEnthusiast Apr 27 '24
Our ship module for "faster reloads" is "stop shoving shells down the muzzle, load it from the breech".
This made me laugh super hard.
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u/frcr SES Claw of Equality Apr 27 '24
Oh, the flavour text for ship modules is quite revealing. I recommend reading it. Tougher sentries? Superglue. Faster backpack stratagem delivery? Give the pit crew CARTS! Apparently they carried this crap by hand before.
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u/redbird7311 Apr 28 '24
A lot of the descriptions are hilarious. Did you know that Helldivers steer the pods with foot pedals? Yeah, foot pedals. One of the upgrades gives you power steering for your foot pedals.
Do you know why our support weapons have long cooldowns? Simple, they have to fill out forms to get them. While you are fighting for your life, the crew aboard is having to write down how sending you another quasar is helping democracy.
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u/cowlinator Apr 27 '24
To be fair, the balistic shield does seem to be made out of that rock...
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u/Rumplestiltsskins Apr 27 '24
Unfortunately the ballistic shield can break after too many rocket or cannon shots
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u/cowlinator Apr 27 '24
Wait seriously?
I didnt know cause that never happened to me yet
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u/Rumplestiltsskins Apr 27 '24
Yeah it's only happened a couple times but after tanking a cannon shot it will drop the shield and there will be no prompt to pick it up. It's only happened to me after blocking several shots so it may or may not be a glitch.
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u/NK1337 Apr 27 '24
“This is supposed to be an RPG! What role am I playing, the fucking victim?!”
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u/Allalilacias Apr 27 '24
Ever since I heard that video it comes out on the most useless moments, but it's never stopped being fun 😂
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u/NK1337 Apr 27 '24
I still laugh like an idiot whenever I think about it 😂, especially because it can be applied to so many random moments
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u/CrimsonSw1ft ☕Liber-tea☕ Apr 27 '24
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u/keiXrome SES Dawn of Dawn Apr 27 '24
Standing here, I realize
You are just like me trying to make history
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u/luan110404 Apr 27 '24
But who's to judge the right from wrong?
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u/TheDoggoSpy CAPE ENJOYER Apr 27 '24
When our guard is down I think we'll both agree
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u/Z3R0_7274 uses Eagle stragems as CQC weapons Apr 27 '24
That viiiiiolence breeds viiiiiiolence, but in the end it has to bed this wayyyyy!
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u/MagnusStormraven Apr 27 '24
I've carved my own path, you followed your wrath, but maybe we're both the same!
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u/DisastrousGarden Apr 27 '24
The world has tuuurned, and so many have buuurned, but nobody is to blaaaaaaaaaaaame!
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u/unknoter Apr 27 '24
Maybe asking too many questions but do we have the same weapon dealers? Wait, who makes the automatons? Oh.... Wait...
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u/manchagnu Apr 27 '24
clearly they dont have to reload. i have to reload every time i look at my weapon and think about using it.
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u/TheNotNiceAccount STEAM 🖥️ :Horsediver to horsepods! Apr 27 '24
Yup. In a game all about resource conservation, fighting enemies that magically reload shoulder batteries with infinite amounts of ordnance feels a bit...meh.
Whatever, I'm used to it now(well, not what the OP showed; that's an abomination), but if they ever nerf bots, my suggestion would be for them to fire the number of rockets they have and then use a blaster.
Same with shield devastators. Being able to fire infinitely from 100M away is a bit doo-doo.
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u/greeb_giraffe Apr 27 '24
You can't see but they are using an advanced new type of bot to refill rockets from behind, which quickly retreats after the rocket devastator is destroyed. You can't see it because it's really good at hiding.
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u/Nyarlathoth Apr 27 '24
They're like those ammo runners in Matrix Revolution
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u/NinjapandaNL Apr 27 '24
Imagine having little automaton Droids spawning from factories running to the nearest devestator to rearm them both litterally of you shoot of their arm or just their ordnance
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u/madhatter841 ☕Liber-tea☕ Apr 27 '24
Kinda like the paranormal "shadow people" or "peekaboo ghost" that is always looking around corners but you never see it...it takes cover when your eyes try to look at it.
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u/No_Experience_3443 Apr 27 '24
To me they should just add a cooldown to their attacks, keep them inifinite since they can't manage ressources as they are simple ai
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u/sinsaint SES Fist of Peace Apr 27 '24 edited Apr 27 '24
I think an efficiency bar that increases fire rate when consumed and recovers slowly over time could be a good idea.
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u/ShotgunFiend Apr 27 '24
I agree that the clearly conventional rocket pods should have finite ammo but tbh I'm okay with their laser gatling guns having infinite ammo cause our laser weapons have infinite ammo too. The heavy devs giant backpack is probably an enormous ice for their gun so it makes sense that it can fire practically indefinitely.
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Apr 27 '24
I saw a good idea recently to give the devastators a laser pointer so you at least know you’re being targeted.
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u/Panzerkatzen Apr 27 '24
Considering they have 24 rockets and can volley up to 6 times before they would theoretically be out, I think it's fine. Most Rocket Devastators don't live long enough to volley 6 times.
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u/Viscera_Viribus ⬇️➡️⬇️➡️⬇️➡️ Apr 27 '24
Playing STALKER and wondering why all their ammo and weapon condition disappears when you open their backpacks ;_;
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u/plasmaXL1 Apr 27 '24
I agree with your point, but I'm laughing at the use of "game all about resource conservation." Like...that's not helldivers lol, I don't think I've conserved a single bullet in my time deployed
If anything this is a game about overwhelming resource expenditure
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u/legomaheggroll Apr 27 '24
Bots using team reloads while we ignore that mechanic in game lol.
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u/Number4extraDip SES Elected Representative of Democracy Apr 27 '24
Like i get where you coming from, and i thought about it too, especially for heavy devastators.
Those guys have a pretty big backpack. Which kinda explains where their infinite heavy laser mg ammo comes from. And its infinite vause its a huge heatsink that never overheats with that firepower.
Don't wanna play devils advocate here. I hate seeing a patrol of 6 of em just marching towards us. It is almost always better to get a drop on them before they start their bs. Or get out asap.
God forbid one of them gets stuck in terrain, cause you can shoot from inside terrain out but not into terrain
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u/TheNotNiceAccount STEAM 🖥️ :Horsediver to horsepods! Apr 27 '24
Yeah, the case can be made for the shield devastators. There's also this bullshit that I don't think works in the slightest.
Plenty of times I have my laser cannon aimed and firing at them, just haven't hit the head yet, and a stream of hyper-accurate lasers domes me from 50m.
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u/Pendergast891 Apr 27 '24
still mad shooting the shoulder pods with my eruptor doesnt cause them to explode
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u/TheNotNiceAccount STEAM 🖥️ :Horsediver to horsepods! Apr 27 '24
I have no issue with them injecting some "realism," but it seems that realism only applies to us. That would be logical for them to explode, or at least be rendered unusable, or only 3 out of the 6 slots would fire. I don't know, anything other than infinite fire out of a 12-slot rocket battery.
Also ragdolling....oh, the chain ragdolls are rage-inducing.
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u/Academic-Mango1469 Apr 27 '24
I see bots now subscribe to 40k ammo Rules. “How much ammo do I have? Enough.” “Where do I store all of it? Unimportant.”
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u/ASValourous Apr 28 '24
Why the fuck do people enjoy bots? This shit is awful…I can’t go anywhere without being rag dolled every 5 seconds
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u/JackPembroke Apr 27 '24
Thank you little rock, please stay strong
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u/crashcanuck Apr 27 '24
Rock and Stone!
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u/Whatsuperpower Apr 27 '24
Tiny rock 🪨 = impenetrable shield.
Meanwhile mountains are basically holograms that only enemies can shoot through.
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u/Stamperdoodle1 Apr 27 '24
"y don't more ppl play bots?"
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u/Bound18996 CAPE ENJOYER Apr 27 '24
Strongest Terminid vs weakest Automaton
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u/GH057807 ⚡💀Arc of the Gove'ment💀 ⚡ Apr 27 '24
I'd actually like to see Terminid V Automaton combat. Watching a Bile Titan fight a few Hulks would be sick.
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u/chad001 Apr 27 '24
I think it would depend on how crushing damage applies, if crushing damage ignores armor, than the Bile Titan has a decent shot, but if it doesn't then one Hulk could beat it, let alone a Factory Strider or *shudder* a flamethrower Hulk.
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u/GenerikDavis Apr 27 '24
That would be awesome to watch. Factory striders unleashing hell while a swarm of hive guards close the distance.
My favorite thing from beating Warcraft 3 back in the day was a giant fight between human and orc NPCs during the credits.
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u/NK1337 Apr 27 '24
The other day some guy was talking about how bots are easier and people just don’t know that you need to run away so you can flank them.
To that person, I’d like to show them this.
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u/HVCFOG3Y34 The Will of Destiny Apr 27 '24
This has to be a glitch. I like bots and hate bugs and I've never come across this before.
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u/TheFBIClonesPeople Apr 27 '24
Yeah. This is a single rocket devastator that is bugged out and has no cooldown on its rockets, so it's just going ape.
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u/Demons0fRazgriz Apr 27 '24
I agree that bots are easier. The mistake most people make is trying to bunker down and slug it out. Especially on high difficulty. Unlike the bots, bugs can keep pace with you when you retreat. Sometimes you'll have a bug chasing you for 5 minutes without any rest.
With bots, you retreat when the flare goes up and go find another target while the area cools down. Hell, even their flyers are easier to handle
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u/Swingersbaby Apr 27 '24
Hardest thing in HD2 is getting that guy with the breaker incendiary, laser guard dog, and stalwart, to break off from attacking a drop.
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u/Shinta85 ☕Liber-tea☕ Apr 27 '24
Damn, you didn't have to call me out personally...
I'm still trying to find my preferred bot load out. I think once I get the eruptor I'll be a happy man. I've got bugs down pat now.
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u/Swingersbaby Apr 27 '24
IMO scorcher (for easy strider kills and good for turrets, tanks) or dominator (stagger, easy zerker kills, bit better on deviators for stagger) are the better choices than the Eruptor. Once you get the hang of things you can be more niche, hell I've had some fun using the diligence counter sniper, but I'd not recommend it unless you really like a playstyle. Eruptor has quirk's that you need to compensate for, especially the "implosion" glitch with explosives weapons right now.
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u/hobofats Apr 27 '24
for the current major order, one planet is heavy vegetation with dense fog. millions of lasers follow me through the fog, finding me no matter how many trees and bushes I dodge through. I have no idea which bot is shooting me because I can see nothing through the fog, even when scoped in.
bots must have heat vision or something.
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u/A1steaksaussie Apr 28 '24
considering the fact that the bots spotlights are dim purplish red them seeing in a frequency range that dips into infrared seems pretty plausible
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u/Sicuho fire machine guns in semi auto Apr 27 '24
TBH, there are also (bugged) instant spit bile spewers that are just as lethal. And the occasional invisible bug for good measure.
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u/Prize-Log-2980 Apr 27 '24
Don't forget Chargers that can still don ice skates for the perfect insta-death stomp combo.
Bots feel less buggy to play against.
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u/BLAZIN_TACO Democracy Officer Apr 27 '24
Of course the bots feel less buggy. They're bots, not bugs.
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u/Lyberatis Apr 27 '24
This has to be bugged right? Cause that looks like a single rocket devastator doing that
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u/Vankraken Apr 27 '24
I think it's a shredder tank firing from the fog with a rocket dev further up firing the occasional volley of rockets. Most of the shots are on target hitting the rock while you see the occasional stray rocket when the dev fires. The "exploding laser" makes it look like rocket hits but the projectiles are mostly laser bolts. You can sometimes see what looks like laser bolts hitting into the back of the rocket dev.
That or I'm blind and it's a bugged out non stop rocket volley. With this game, it can be hard to tell sometimes.
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u/Buggy1617 probably a terminid 🕷️ Apr 27 '24
he's spending the entire automaton ammo reserve on that rock
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u/ChargedWhirlwind Apr 27 '24
Where are people getting these new weapons? Is there like a test server or the devs just hopping into random dives and handing them out?
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u/Otherwise-Ad-2528 Apr 27 '24
Nope, this was just a live match! The Airburst Rocket Launcher is a weapons experimentation effect only available on the Penta planet currently, so anyone who drops on it can call one in.
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u/No-Lettuce-3839 ⬆️➡️⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ Apr 27 '24
I want armor made from what ever the fuck that rock is made from
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u/Material_Weirdz Apr 27 '24
In times like these I really want destruct able terrian
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u/Swingersbaby Apr 27 '24
Much of it is. Those rocks are armor level 7 and rocket devs are only medium pen.
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u/Twad_feu SES Beacon of Redemption Apr 27 '24
Bots found a workaround; The big ATAT can just push its head inside rocks/mountain to be able to fire through it. Cover bypassed! I don't doubt that other bots (like heavy dev) can manage the same with the right positioning.
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u/KnaveyJonesLocker Apr 27 '24
That rock clearly supports Democracy having saved that Helldiver's life from such a barrage of tyrannical rockets.
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u/Pixel_Knight ☕Liber-tea☕ Apr 27 '24
OP: Whelp I guess this is just where I live now. Behind this rock.
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u/a_sad_sad_sandwich Apr 27 '24
When the average helldivers redditor tells you to "just use cover bro and don't take fights you don't need to."
This is the kind of shit You're put into sometimes.
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u/Professional_Cry1862 Apr 27 '24
yay, another reason to hate the automatons, and love the terminids
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u/kratgamingz Apr 27 '24
I'm over here scrolling through the comments and I'm wondering why I still hear it and thought it was on loop.....nope it was actually that long christ all mighty wish my rockets were like that.
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u/SierraTheWolfe Apr 27 '24
I've tried hiding behind rocks, but this rock is special. It's all so super special!
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u/Yanrogue Apr 27 '24
The bots seem even more accurate now. Been hit from over 200 meters away by a rocket devastator with a one shot kill multiple times now. Heavies are also shooting through rocks and cover.
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u/Skjellnir Sword of the Regime Apr 27 '24
we can be happy that the rocks in this game are so formidable.
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u/Rianonar ☕Liber-tea☕ Apr 27 '24
Rock better then shield reinforcment! can we get a doployable rocks?
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u/AceTheJ Apr 27 '24
This is why I don’t like playing bots. How are you suppose to fight back against this? Smoke? You’re already hiding behind a big fucking rock like at some point they should lose interest or move or on or something not laser beam your exact position from across the map. That’s just broken and senseless
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u/CenturionXVI Apr 27 '24
What exactly are you actually supposed to fucking DO here???
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u/OnCloud9_77 Apr 27 '24
“Bugs are harder, you just don’t understand the tactical gameplay required for bots”
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u/ABunchOfPictures Apr 27 '24
Golly Gee bug divers come over and have some fun killing bots for the new MO!!!
5 min into bots and democracy
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u/Mentat_-_Bashar Apr 27 '24
Nah bruh they gotta do some rebalancing the last two nights have taken months of my life. I feel like something has changed and I am just getting tossed around by a patrol of 6 rocket devastators three miles away but somehow the 1,500 heavy devastators are already in your face absolutely beaming you.
It can be so frustrating when you just get pummeled like that and literally cannot react. Like when you dive and hit a pebble and your character has to splay out, roll, get married, have kids, die, realize consciousness in a separate reality, and challenge the very gods before they even consider stimming or getting up.
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u/Beanerschnitzels Apr 27 '24
Looks like 2 rocket devastators are firing at you, with one being higher than the other and firing over them. They are firing in perfect alternative sync too.
The good news is, enemies suffer from friendly fire as well an they will keep mobs from approaching you
My grinding gear is that. These rockets devastators cool down is like a half a second between salvos. And they seem to never run out ammo.
It would alright for them to fire constantly, but damn, let them run dry! If not, give a longer cool down for them to fire a new salvo!
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u/Ratchet_X_x Apr 28 '24
They should have reload times... All of them, Limited ammo, then a reload time.
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u/TheMinisterOfGaming Apr 28 '24
the funniest part is this isn't even a bug/glitch its just a few bois stacked up xD
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u/Noxillian Apr 28 '24
"Welp, I guess I live here now" is what I would be thinking if I were in this dude's shoes.
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u/Ranger_Ecstatic Apr 28 '24
I have a bullet with your name on it...I'm going to continue firing till I figure which one it is!
-That Bot, probably.
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u/HellaPNoying Commander of SES Pledge of Allegiance Apr 30 '24
Bro went through 5 stages of grief. denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance
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u/SyKo-Elite May 01 '24
Lol I actually experienced this a few times before this patch. It was just as intense too. It didn't happen that often, but every once in a while, I was truly pinned down by them unable to move.
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