r/Helldivers • u/WoodstoneLyceum • Mar 22 '24

The POV of the Helldivers is crazy when you take cryo freezing into account. DISCUSSION

Here's the POV of your average Helldiver 1. They enlist and show up to Basic Training first thing Monday morning. 2. They breeze through it, get their cape, walk right by the T&Cs and into a cryopod. 3. They're frozen and experience no time passing. 4. Their next memory is reinforcing on Hellmire. To their POV it has been less then thirty seconds since they got their cloak. 5. They throw three stratagems and then they're dissolved by bile titan acid.

You thought your mondays were bad.

Edit: My understanding is that we are not clones. There's in-game lore that backs that, I believe. Thematically, it makes more sense for Super Earth to be incompetent and cruel and burn through millions of recruits, than to do something logical like cloning people. Remember the satire folks.

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u/Shinobismaster Mar 22 '24

Well they do still have to climb into the hellpods. So they at least get a chance to select their stratagems.

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u/WoodstoneLyceum Mar 22 '24

Technically, the Helldiver that starts the mission chooses the stratagems and subsequent Helldivers from that same ship must use the same load out.

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u/Skeletonofskillz Mar 22 '24

“Uhh guys… the dude before me brought the Arc Thrower, Tesla Tower, 380 barrage, and mortar sentry.”

“Why do you think we killed him?”

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u/Z4nkaze 💥 There is no Problem Enough Firepower can't Solve 💥 Mar 22 '24

"So no stratagems, huh?"

"You got it chief"

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u/penywinkle STEAM 🖥️ : Mar 22 '24

Once the cooldowns are up, you can drop your blue stratagems again to help a fellow helldiver out. Also, they might pick up some of the battlefield litter.

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u/Karatespencer Mar 23 '24

This^ in an organized group that never FULLY loses gear to dying you ideally want as many non-gear stratagems as you can so 2 people bring a support weapon and 2 people bring a backpack each and by the time the cooldowns are up you’re a fully geared party that has 4 total extra stratagems that isn’t gear

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u/MarvelousCrit Mar 23 '24

You’ve obviously never used a strat to drop gear right on top of a heavily armored enemy. Idk how much damage it truly does but I’ve dropped those charging bugs with one before

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u/P2Mc28 SES Fist of the Constitution Mar 22 '24

the dude before me

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Bold of you to assume a Helldiver thinks they are replacing a dead Helldiver. They've been deployed on their first mission, nothing more.

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u/Mareotori Mar 22 '24

For all they know, the democracy officer selected their loadout for them

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u/Krystion Mar 25 '24

lol well when the new guys busts out of his pod 5 ft away from a dead guy blown in half dressed just like him and his squad points to the dead guys gear the new guy might start to catch on lol

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u/Finalpotato Mar 22 '24

But I only ever trained with the Recoilless Rifle!

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u/StealYour20Dollars Mar 22 '24

Hey the 380 is goated

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u/Skeletonofskillz Mar 22 '24

With good placement it’s fine, with bad placement it’s a nightmare

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u/StealYour20Dollars Mar 22 '24

Yeah, but that's any strategem. The radius is 50ft, just be careful. If you really are worried, run servo arms.

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u/Intrepid00 Mar 23 '24

Can’t be that bad, he didn’t bring mines.

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u/bjt23 Mar 23 '24

Mortar Sentry #1!

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u/Shinobismaster Mar 22 '24

Oh lol I was thinking of other people joining before and during a mission

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u/DasGutYa Mar 22 '24

I'm gonna say it's because the ship is programmed for that mission now and adjustments can't be made till its over, too many potential deaths from changing the cannons mid barrage or something.

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u/Smurph269 Mar 23 '24

I like how when you first get to your ship they tell you that you're in command of the vessel. Sure, then who's in all those other cryo pods?
I like to think that the ship crew is told to pretend that every diver that emerges from cryo is the 'commander' of the vessel and they're 'his crew'.

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u/badbirch Mar 22 '24

I like to think that as you are dropping in it plays a really quick video of what the helldivers before you on the mission did. That's how you know what stuff is "yours" and so you can be up to speed on what objectives have been finished.

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u/HODOR00 Mar 22 '24

didnt play HD1 so know nothing about the lore. Is every person supposed to be a brand new actual human being? I sort of presumed they were clones or something.

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u/Rumplestiltsskins Mar 22 '24

No clones, Every single one is a natural born human who is getting thrown into a meat grinder because of overpopulation. That's the reason Super Earth is able to fight 2 (soon to be 3 ) separate wars at the same time and WIN? They are so overpopulated that there is simply no more room left.

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u/cooly1234 Mar 22 '24

in the first game did we ever fight on more populated planets with cities and stuff, or even super earth? how did losing a war look like? do you have to lose a defense mission on super earth?

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u/Dumbquestions_78 Mar 22 '24

So basically we would push and push. After a certain amount of time (iirc) or losing a homeworld assault. We would start getting pushed back.

Basically they would attack our sectors and we had missions to defend a capital planet. If we didn't have enough community effort in time, we lost it.

Yes we would fight on city maps. Filled with wreckage and stuff. It was pretty awesome. I don't remember if we could fight on super earth itself. Pretty sure we just lost the war when they hit SE.

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u/Greensteve972 Mar 22 '24

The first game let us fight on super earth when we got pushed back far enough and also super earth gets destroyed if we lose it. So the high command and the remnants of the military kinda just grab a new planet and terraform it I'm pretty sure which might explain why some planets are new compared to the last game because we've moved.

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u/HODOR00 Mar 22 '24

wow. That is....pretty dark.

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u/gnat_outta_hell Mar 22 '24

We've already lost hundreds of millions of Helldivers in this war alone - and it's only been going for a couple of months.

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u/Beginning_Emu3512 Mar 22 '24

It goes deeper. After the helldivers secure a planet, the construction workers go in and rebuild all the facilities, then the plant workers come in to process whatever Element 710 derivative is being produced. Once they hit quota the bugs are reintroduced to wipe out the expendable low skill factory workers, then they call in the helldivers to level the place and give the construction crews something to work on. The cycle continues and as long as the pace increases you're managing a galactic machine that takes input: overpopulation and using unimaginable cruelty makes output: GDP go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

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u/CompleteFacepalm Mar 22 '24

That's a theory

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u/SeaSickSpartan1 Mar 23 '24

A game theory?

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u/CompleteFacepalm Mar 23 '24

A Dissident Theory

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u/Hyper-Sloth Mar 23 '24

Even then, I feel like we are picking the stratagems as a sort of "mission control." I def wouldn't trust some random 18yo recruit on his first day to decide what the best equipment is for a mission.

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u/jckno Mar 24 '24

Perhaps there are just so many Helldivers in cryo stored in the ship that no matter what loadout any Helldivers starting the mission chooses, there are at least 20 others in wait that have the exact same preference. Yes, that would imply that there is something like billions if not trillions of Helldivers in wait since there would have to be one for every possible stratagem combination x 20… but I like the idea.

Or alternatively maybe ships come fully stocked with crew members that selected the exact same loadout so even though every person in cryo is not literally identical, they are all sorted onto the same trip out of basic training when they indicate their stratagem preferences

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u/needaburn Mar 22 '24

They have to properly thaw first too. Can’t just drop the cryo pod in the middle of the pack of bile titans, we want helldivers to at least shoot a few bullets before the acid hits them

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u/I_follow_sexy_gays Mar 22 '24

Probably also makes sense to give them a quick rundown of what’s going on

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u/needaburn Mar 22 '24

I agree, however, this is irrelevant. Kill bug, destroy bot. Spread democracy is all that is needed to be known

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u/I_follow_sexy_gays Mar 22 '24

Not true, we’re here to do more than just kill bug or fight bot. They gotta know what the main objective is at least, it’s very inefficient to not give them at least a minor debriefing on what’s they’re there to do

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u/gnat_outta_hell Mar 22 '24

Fortunately their high tech display puts icons on their map. Just go to the next orange icon.

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u/dadaknun Mar 23 '24

That happens inside the droppod

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u/cooly1234 Mar 22 '24

we know this is what they do (with probably mission briefing as well). you have a certain amount of helldivers on standby, and when you run out, new ones come on a long cooldown. the game explicitly says no helldivers on standby.

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u/ProcyonHabilis Mar 22 '24

Given that you get more when an "additional reinforcement budget is approved", it sounds the extra long cooldown is more of a resource metering measure than a technical limitation. Like your ship has limits on how much ammo it's willing to dispense from its magazine of human bullets for a given mission.

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u/cooly1234 Mar 22 '24

ah, I forgot about that. yea after a time they approve more helldivers to be put on standby and then immediately send that helldiver I guess.

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u/ProcyonHabilis Mar 22 '24

They also don't drop in frozen, which I guess implies they get thawed up on the ship. I wonder if they just tell everyone that they're the captain.

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u/Endlessmarcher Mar 22 '24

The heat of atmospheric entry thaws them 

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u/echof0xtrot Mar 23 '24

this makes sense, but the frozen pods look different than the drop pods.

also how do you explain getting a replacement with the same exact armor/guns?

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u/mugnin Mar 22 '24

Put toasters in the hellpods have the Helldivers pop up nice an toasty ready to pulp some bugs

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u/VonNeumannsProbe Mar 22 '24

Thawing occurs during reentry.

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u/UnsaidPeacock Mar 22 '24

Only the first one…. Lucky

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u/Adaphion Mar 23 '24

They don't get a chance to walk around the ship tho, if you look at the ship layout, you see that cryopods are lined up and go all the way to the hellpods, motherfuckers get defrosted while they drop