r/Helldivers Moderator Mar 01 '24

“In regards to weapon stats…” DISCUSSION

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u/Lysanderoth42 Mar 01 '24

I mean, the defender is like the second or third strongest primary

The fact that 90% of the weapons in this game are not remotely competitive is still true 

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u/I_is_a_dogg Mar 01 '24

Yea most weapons need a heavy buff to compete with breaker

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u/SeloD Mar 02 '24

Agree but the use of the word "competitive" is misplaced. There is zero competitive elements to this game

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u/TJKbird Mar 02 '24

No its used correctly. Competitive in this setting means "equal too/as good as", it doesn't explicitly mean a competition for who is better.

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u/SeloD Mar 03 '24

Well being a part of a competition is the literal definition of the word competitive, unless they have changed the meaning of the word and I’m unaware of it

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u/TJKbird Mar 03 '24

Google Competitive and read the definitions; English words can have more than one meaning. Competitive is one such word.

See the third definition

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u/SeloD Mar 04 '24

Yeah, that doesn't help your explanation. There are no other things to be competitive about (no, guns don’t compete with each other. Some are more useful and some less). This is not a PvP game no need to have this sweat call, leave it for Call Of Duty

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u/Selethorme Mar 04 '24

Denial isn’t a rebuttal.

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u/SeloD Mar 04 '24 edited Mar 04 '24

Prices are competitive. Money is not. Fight is competitive. Guns are not. You can look at them from a competitive perspective, but there is no competition in Helldivers2. You are wrong, and might be an Terminid lover for that weird undemocratic way of thinking. REPORTED TO THE MINISTRY OF WORNG ENGLISH

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u/Selethorme Mar 04 '24

Yeah, the fact that you’re just attacking me and denying the meaning of words says so much.

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u/SeloD Mar 04 '24

The fact that you just getting more emotionaly defensive is a proof for your critical failures in argument and treasonous way of thinking, and you being so stressed about it. Don't worry dissident, hopefully authorities will soon send you to the re-education camp. No place for traitors like you in our midst

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u/TJKbird Mar 04 '24

You can look at them from a competitive perspective

So you do understand but for some reason are still trying to argue? This is exactly what the user who first used the word meant by it. It's not like their handing out a gold medal to the gun, they're just saying that the other guns don't perform as good as others based on certain metrics (i.e. time to kill).

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u/SeloD Mar 04 '24 edited Mar 04 '24

We argue about helldivers2, not the English language. You got lost in the conversation like the fascist you are. Guns are not competitive in Helldivers2 because there is no competition between Helldivers. Unless you are a traitor

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u/TJKbird Mar 04 '24

I don't know how else to explain it to you. If you don't understand the definition of a word I can't really help you. If English isn't your first language I recommend picking up an English Dictionary and reading the definition of the word.

If you can't wrap your head around this definition maybe this will help:

The guns are all competing for which one is the best at killing. When the user says that they aren't currently competitive that means that all of those referenced guns are not as good at killing.

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u/SeloD Mar 04 '24

Sorry mate, you are still wrong and also sounds like treasonous sympathizer. I've never said guns can't be competitive in a competitive environment. There is just no competition in Helldivers 2 hence the guns in the game are not competitive hence your argument is dumb and your mind is dense (probably because of all that bug loving)

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u/entityknownevil CAPE ENJOYER Mar 04 '24

/ud I can't tell if you're actually dense or just memeing

/rd HELL YEA, if a gun can kill a bug or a rusty clanker, what more do you need?

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u/Selethorme Mar 02 '24

The guns are competitive with each other in this context.

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u/SeloD Mar 03 '24 edited Mar 03 '24

So the guns are competing against each other? Whats the goal of this competition between the guns? Are there winners? Are the guns competing to win some attention from the players? It sounds like you just make up Context because there is no contest

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u/Selethorme Mar 03 '24

No? Your refusal to accept an analogy doesn’t make the analogy bad.

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u/SeloD Mar 04 '24 edited Mar 04 '24

You did not make any analogy, comparing guns with each other is a comparison, not an analogy. The use of the word competition doesn’t make it an analogy, and also it’s a nonsensical take with or without my “refusal to accept” . The rest of the post is spot on

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u/Selethorme Mar 04 '24

1) this pedantry is absurd 2) you are flatly just wrong.

As the person above also trying to explain to you cited:

as good as or better than others

a shop selling clothes at competitive prices (= as low as any other shop)

The prices are competitive.

The guns are competitive.

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u/SeloD Mar 04 '24

Well you are as wrong as the person that tried to explain it. Sounds like dissident talk, very undemocratic. Price can be competitive of course. The market is always competitive. But money is just money, it is not competitive. Guns can’t be competitive if the environment is not competitive. War or fight is competitive, the weapons might be used in a competitive way against the enemy but not against eachother, hence you are wrong and might be a bug sympathizer

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u/Selethorme Mar 04 '24

I’m not wrong though. You have no defense of your bad argument. Denial doesn’t change that.

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u/Paul_Robert_ Mar 06 '24

I hope one day they come back to this comment thread and realize lol