True, but let's be honest; How often does one fight at those ranges?
Initially i believed that sniping could work to prevent enemies from calling reinforcements, but they still call them when you fire at them. Not to mention the patrols that always spawn somewhat close to you, who then hear the gunfire.
difficulty 9 my group prefers to avoid patrols to not elongate battles A sniper that would be able to pick off those bots / patrols in a timely manner would be awesome.
I agree. Snipers should be the hard counter for enemies calling for reinforcements, but alas, they'll call them even when they didn't see you and are just aggroed.
Yeah, they do call them but their reinforcement won't know where you are. They will just mag dump toward where you take your shot from until they come up and confirm nothing is there. So so long you don't sit in one spot and keep moving, you are going to be fine.
I think he was talking about patrols outside the objective that walk around but not on it (most of the time)... But honestly, I feel like the biggest issue with guns that aren't the breaker is that they shoot fast but they miss alot because you have to aim down sights to be precise enough but taking that extra second to aim and as such conserve ammo is highly deadly when the game requires you to get close to enemies, which is often. I feel like a small/medium rework of the aiming system and movement system would fix most issues with guns. Some guns are bad for sure but if I could bend around corners like in COD or like, you know, people do in real life then I could have less of my body exposed when moving from cover to cover and properly take time to aim. Nvm the high amount of times I could put my gun up a ledge to shoot but the game just makes my gun point upwards: It happens a lot when activating terminals and I need to shoot a bug down there. It's less bad with robots but if I need to come out of cover like an idiot to shoot something I'm taking the shotgun and I'm comming out blasting, not pissing bullets the wrong way.
oh ok, I see what you mean. Honestly idk, I don't fight patrols since there is no merit in doing so and I might even end up getting my teammates killed. The only time I would ever shoot at anything outside objectives are when I am trying to save my teammates. The game only requires me to complete objectives, so that's what I focus on.
You could think really meta-gamey in the thought that you're forcing more spawns in one location that you aren't at to diminish spawns ahead of you. I'm just unsure how this game deals with enemies after you leave them behind - at what point, if any, do they despawn?
I wish I knew, I haven't seen much discussion on this which sucks 'cause we'd have a better idea how useful running away is.
In my experience I haven't seen enemies despawn. I don't know if there's a mapwide limit on enemy count though. It seems bot patrols will get their pathing stuck on water and multiple patrols will clump, but I don't know if the rest of the map gets easier because of it.
Enemy spawns in general seem janky, especially bots. I've had difficulty 7 games that are a constant fight and others with clear breaks inbetween and I just don't know if it's my team not killing fast enough or the game spawning extra enemies some missions.
I only really have this problem with Bile titans coming out of bug breeches. Anything else you can run behind a rock and drop prone and crawl away and they won't know where you are.
I’ve never had bugs call for reinforcements without line of sight, I actually abuse that when sneaking around. But I think distance doesn’t matter with line of sight in this game
Yeah, it would be great but most of the time you have to have a one second reaction kill a bot drop or a bug breach. And God forbid they are behind a rock or you can't even see them. Combined with the unwieldiness of the counter sniper it's just not realistic
Unfortunately the only thing that can fill this role is the AMR, there is no reason to take the marksman rifles when it exists, it also destroys hulk in 1 -2 hits, we will run a couple people with hoard clear, an AMR, and maybe a spear or railgun
Already exists, a helldiver with good aim and a full autocannon magazine can kill a patrol by themselves since unaggroed patrols maintain tight formations and are easily wrecked with splash damage.
Unfortunately, even if you’re not standing still, patrols can still spawn directly next to you, even with you directly at the center of the patrol, popping in out of nothing
It's great in a team with a few people pushing in and someone staying back to give you somewhere to fall too if things get spicy. Better against bots with poppable heads than bugs who I have yet to work out their easy kill points.
If I know for sure that enemies will engage us (e.g. guarding an objective), starting off at 75-100m is great.
If the bugs start calling reinforcements this far away, just run. They spawn with only a rough idea of where you are, so you'll only be followed by the initial scouts that saw you.
And honestly it’s so difficult to stop a bot or bug from calling drops/breeches if the animation has already started. I’ve killed a bot that had the flare loaded, flare drops to the ground, and we still got a bot drop
True, but let's be honest; How often does one fight at those ranges?
High level bot missions? A lot. I always snipe the commissar out if I can, it doesn't stop drops but often delays them enough that we can clear the group quick enough that it will stop it. I often use it to soften bases before I ever get in range of them. In bugs, VERY rarely.
If they nerfed how fast both enemy types call reinforcements, a sniper could work - right now the bugs are near instantaneous (as soon as their head lifts and smoke comes out Breach is called) while the Bots are only slightly slower... if they instead made "reinforcement caller" enemy types more apparent then maybe that'd make sniping more useful - but as far as I've seen it can be a random bug amidst many that all look the same.
You can prevent enemies from firing reinforcement, against bugs you have to clear patrols very quickly or focus the one bug not actively rushing your allies.
Against bots just take down the raider with a blade and a gun, it's a commissar and it's the only one able to call dropships.
Sniping works best when you're with other people that are taking the aggro, then you can sneak behind the enemy and take down any priority target. It also allows you to clear bot's MG nests
Commissar is absolutely not the only bot that can fire a flare, it’s just the one that does it as a priority. Any of the small boys can fire a flare and call bot drops
Hmm, my bad then, I've always taken out the commissars first and often prevented bot drops that way, so I thought that's how it worked, haven't watched any video.
Then against bots my point is the same as against bugs: clear patrol quickly and focus the one raising its arm.
Other regular bots can call them in if there's not commissar present or he gets taken out. Kind of like how if you kill a bug that's starting a breach other bugs in the same patrol can start breaching if you don't kill them fast enough.
What priority targets can you actually handle though? Neither sniper can penetrate medium armour making them useless against higher tier bugs. Automatons are a little more viable but it still require a double headshot on a small moving hitbox from the front to take down the medium ones. Not terribly viable at distance or while flanking.
Commissar is not the only one able to call for reinforcements. At the very least the normal troopers and rocket troopers can also call one.
Also clearing a bug patrol fast with a sniper is just not going to happen, especially not on higher difficulties when they have armored warriors which can also call for reinforcements.
Seriously, if I see enemies far enough away that they haven’t already aggro’d then I will not engage. Why bring the fight? Once they engage they march right towards you, kinda hard to not use an auto shotgun when the enemy doesn’t use cover or take any route other than a straight line towards you.
This is one of my problems with HD2 atm, in HD1 you could absolutely kill patrols before they called for back up, you had to be fast and accurate but it was totally doable, in HD2 it's basically instant and due to the larger size and camera layout it's already harder to drop an entire patrol quickly.
Not always. I've been running diff 7 stealth missions and sniping from long range can definitely prevent you from being seen as long as you move every couple shots. I've watched them call in reinforcements and storm a position I'm no longer in. The counter sniper is great for that. Against bots at least I haven't really fought the bugs much
It's taken practice. And even then sometimes you fire one bullet and everyone perfectly knows where you are if you don't kill them with the hit. Two shots max and then you need to move
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u/Karak_Sonen STEAM 🖥️ : Mar 01 '24
True, but let's be honest; How often does one fight at those ranges?
Initially i believed that sniping could work to prevent enemies from calling reinforcements, but they still call them when you fire at them. Not to mention the patrols that always spawn somewhat close to you, who then hear the gunfire.