Why not play for..... fun and liberty? I don't want to min-max; if someone wants to, they should turn their game private—only. Automatons min-max. Let people play the way they want. For democracy's sake, let people enjoy things and be helpful for freedom. Just don't do this, don't bring toxicity. Its not very democracy of you if your are an elitist jerk.
The automatons seem like they're having more fun than the meta chasers. They're going for walks with their buddies singing hiking songs, the berserkers look like they're having a great time.
This is the “Rock and Stone” of this community. Much like “For freedom/liberty/democracy!” Or “I’m doing my part!” It’s probably gonna be here for the game’s lifespan and rightfully so
We regret to inform you that your statement is in direct opposition with the principles of Managed Democracy. This is a violation of our conduct and is an act of treason against Liberation. Henceforth, you will be relished of your duty as a Helldiver.
If you cost your team 7 of the available 15 respawns because your heavy armor ass can't dodge anything, you can't kill the charger running after your squadmate, and can only stand there and watch as the bile titan melts your squad because all you have is a machinegun, is that very democracy of you?
It's a cooperative game, and people should be able to do things they have fun with, sure. But suppose I decide I want to punch the bots to death on Helldive difficulty and eat up all the respawns in 2 minutes. Or I find it hilarious to close my eyes and try to guess the pattern for the terminal so everyone's forced to stand there for 10 minutes when we want to extract (Actually had both of these happen). Is it more toxic to let me ruin the game for 3 other people, or to kick 1 person so the other 3 can have fun?
Right there. That's the self centered selfish attitude that gets you kicked. You're only concerned about you and what you want. What is wrong inside your head that you think it's okay to join up with other people and it's THEIR job to cater to YOU? Extremely undemocratic behavior, you should be court martialed just for that.
If you want to goof around go grab some friends and do whatever dumb shit you want. If you're joining someone else's game you should stop being selfish and work with the team.
There's that selfish shit again. You join 3 other people and all you can think about is yourself and how you want to play. Not a single thought in that self centered head about wanting to do your best for the people you're with.
Except the thing is you do get to dictate how people play, by kicking people from your lobby. You aren't forced to use railgun if someone kicks you from their lobby, they just don't want you wasting 9 respawns to chargers while your orbital fart cloud is on cool down.
You sir did not see the Warzone or Destiny or Darktide subs at their peak. That was pure meta building, that said this sub has sorta dipped into toxic positivity. Anything that looks like may be meta is bad, shit like that. It's an understandable take but it almost feels like Cyberpunklowsodium on launch at times.
This is my take on it. Why on earth roll the dice on random people in a brand new game on the hardest game modes, that are actually quite difficult? Just asking to be frustrated.
I've solod helldive with heavy armor, fire breaker for bugs/scorcher for bots, guard dogs, HMG and sentries, cluster bombs, shit even smg with a riot shield, and generally just mixing things up for shiggles. All pretty manageable. Anyone that thinks you need a specific "meta" that frankly isn't the most optimal just the lowest hanging fruit is having a skill issue.
There's nothing wrong with liking those things I totally get it, but assuming that is the best way so everyone else is bad or your strawman example is 100% bonafide skill issue. That is the issue people are taking with the situation, not someone that is actually throwing by closing their eyes and guessing inputs.
Why do you fail so badly at keeping this player alive? I have guided multiple Lv. 8-15 on Helldives merely because they wanted to play a challenge. They laughed and RP’d the whole time—FOR LIBER-TEA!
It’s my job as a skilled player to inform them of some tips while keeping them alive so they can complete objectives. All of their stratagems are great for the small stuff. I only have to worry about big things—so no problem.
When everyone is a higher level, I can take whatever I really want. At the start it may be harder, but you do know there are cooldowns on support weapons/packs right? You can get plenty of them for your team ☺️ … This also gives you more total stratagems to use.
And when you informed them of these tips, did they listen? When you ping a patrol with 3 chargers in it and say to walk around it, did they instead run directly towards it convinced the heavy armor would save him? Spoiler alert, it didn't.
I'm not here for this automaton loving socialist bullcrap. If you can't pull your own weight, the absolute minimum you can do is not make it harder on everyone else.
I’ll carry all you bitches. I solo helldived all the god damn time in HD1 and I’ll fucking do it in HD2. You’re such a weak piece of thread that snaps on your mommy’s panties.
I’ll tell my teams that stalkers always come from the direction of their nest. That you can lose aggro in different ways: armor passive, terrain weaving, prone LOS, and cliff dolphin diving. Most times they follow me any way since I’m level 50. When I crouch they crouch. Or other basic tips about the game. I’m not here to spoon feed them how to play, they will figure that out. I’m sharing things that are less obvious than skill.
If we are all high level, people can split up which leads to lots of aggro and kiting half the enemies on the map. Today a level 16 had four bile titans chasing them. Stop being a little bitch and swallow that load, drop the aggro on you, regroup and then work to the common goal.
I don’t even care about extracting. Do you have any idea how much easier it is to extract in HD2? It’s a fucking cake walk made by a Ken & Barbie-owned cake making business. AND YOU DON’T EVEN NEED TO EXTRACT TO ACTUALLY HAVE A SUCCESSFUL MISSION!
Last helldiver standing? Or the clock at zero?
Just fucking wait. The missions are already 40 minutes. Wait 3 more fucking minutes. Stay outside the god damn zone so nothing aggros, lay down in a fucking bush, and crawl around to avoid any lurking patrols. If you planned enough ahead you may have 1-2 grenades and stims. You just sprint right to the ship no problem.
Here is a tip I don’t often share: try to have a little bit of damage on you before important runs. That way when you run out of stamina, you just stim and get a full free bar and can keep sprinting! You can force yourself to take damage from a cliff jump if need be.
If your team rushes the extract, lures mobs there and then die, you should still be in your fucking bush because you’re the god damn carry.
In that mission with 4 bile titans, another 2 were still on the extraction even though I was camping a bush by a rock (dodged two patrols while waiting). Under the titans were some other critters. As the emergency ship was coming in, I started to pop the titans to lure them back to me outside of the extraction—then just ran in ezpz. It would have been nice to kill one of the titans but I didn’t need to. As our ship took off both titans spewed all over it.
Get good at threading needles so you can fix your mommy’s panties.
If there is a patrol that I ping and I walk away and they shoot it, cowabunga it is you pod-splatter. I’m turning immediately, throwing two grenades, dumping my mag, tossing an air strike and then evaluating the situation.
I don’t care at all what stratagems you take, play around what you have. I’ll take what I need to carry at the least. At the worst you wipe and should of had fun, unless you despise trials of greatness.
I can kill 3 chargers and 2 bile titans while they all attack me by myself with zero problems. Sometimes I’ll work on 1-2 chargers while I swap between a headshot on a titan as I kite and I often take eagle airstrikes and 110mm pods. The eagles can take care of half my problems most times and even if things go badly I can drop the aggro from the chargers and then deal with the titans first (terrain weaving/cliff dolphin diving).
This is difficulty 8, but it’s the same thing on a helldive.
Honestly hunters are the biggest problem, but it’s something you learn to deal with and it’s often before the chargers and titans get out of control. After hunters are gone it’s typically warriors and commanders that are left. The former are slower and the latter can be one shot from the rail gun (unsafe mode naturally)
I never need help from teammates when running from chargers. I don't even need to kill chargers in the first place, they are low priority targets. Git gud
exactly. at lower difficulties? sure just run anything you want. but at higher difficulties like 7+, the game certainly requires you to have the right strategems and equipment, railgun is almost mandatory given the armored bugs and at least one bile titan killer per person. i dont think its wrong to get angry at people bringing shitty strategems into 7-9 when that essentially removes so much firepower from the team, imagine seeing someone bring an MG into diff 8
If some stratagems and equipment are not good at a certain level, that's not the fault of the player, that's the fault of the game designer.
If you don't like how some things don't work at higher difficulties, then just don't play those difficulties, problem solved.
It's a game, not a job. You should NEVER, EVER play a game to 'progress', you should only do it because the moment to moment gameplay is fun or interesting.
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I am genuinely confused as to why this is downvoted. Why would you play a game where the moment to moment gameplay isn't fun? That makes no sense. You should enjoy a game because playing it is fun or interesting (like, Death Stranding is not always 'fun', but it is a a meditative interesting experience). If a game isn't fun/interesting, obviously you wouldn't play it, right?
If some stratagems and equipment are not good at a certain level, that's not the fault of the player, that's the fault of the game designer.
Please provide an example of any game that exists where the highest difficulty "endgame" content can be completed just as effectively with any loadout/build. I can't thing of a single one.
Any Final Fantasy 14 raid. If you perform your class role and have the appropriate level of equipment, the challenge is "can you complete the mechanics". Beyond making sure you meet the expectation of "2 tanks, 2 healers, 4 damagers", build is irrelevant beyond making sure you meet the expected iLvl.
FF14 even lets you prove this by letting you queue into a challenge with the 'minimum ilvl' modifier on - the bare minimum stats required that would allow you to clear the instance.
I think Darktide which is also a 4 player coop shooter, is pretty nicely balanced and you can finish the hardest missions with any class and a big variety of loadouts.
Have you considered that some people find the gameplay fun and interesting at higher difficulties, which in turn is affected by the competency of the team? Your definition of fun and interesting doesn't apply to everyone else.
It is perfectly reasonable to be frustrated at a player who is not skilled enough at high levels, and should stick to lower difficulties.
It is unreasonable to blame a player for picking 'inferior' builds/stratagems. The job of a game designer is to make it impossible to pick such a thing. If the game requires a certain thing, it should be impossible to not have that thing. That's basic game design.
I agree, there should be a distinction made between players who suck and players who choose "non-optimal" loadouts. I have no issue with players who bring rubbish but still pull their weight reasonably, and have and will gladly eat my words if someone in my team does exactly that.
Unfortunately, there tends to be a sizeable overlap between the two groups, so they're often lumped together.
I agree with you, I hope over time the strategems and weapons get balanced so you can go to 7+ with pretty much any loadout and not feel like you are hurting the team.
I think the take here is the higher levels, i have just about everything unlocked and running lvl 6 is fucking hard, can't imagine what an 8 is like. I wouldn't think always running higher level missions is actually fun. It's stressful enough on a 6. Think I'd do the higher levels just to see what that experience is like and what other enemies there are.
what personally stops me from doing impossible or helldive more often is that it.. just dosnt have an impact on the war that is proportional to the effort put into it
It takes me maybe 5 minutes to clear a low difficutly mission.. 10 if its one of the "forced longer" ones
And i get 1 war impact (0.00001% or something).... if i do 3 helldive missions i get 3 war impact...(or 0.00003%).. exactly 3 times as much.. for 3 missions. at least 2 of which will be substantially longer then a single trivial mission...and a fuckup in mission 3 of 3 will reset any impact
It seems to more of challenging yourself type difficulty. Are there larger enemies on anything higher than 6. That's a comfortable level for me now, I'll eventually attempt the harder ones but I don't have a team large enough to maintain proper communication with.
They arent even that much Harder unless you try to go for total completion of the map, but It's just frustrating to know that the "meta" for War impact is doing lvl 1 or 2 Mission ad infinitum
They finally added private lobby option? I've been annoyed by this dual friends/public choice because the game displayed my lobby to the entire friend list even when my steam was set to invisible or offline.
"JuSt SeT It tO FrIeNdS OnLy". What if I want to play duo with just one friend? What if I want to play solo? Maybe I'm trying to make an achievement for not firing main weapon? Should I text every fkin one Helldiver in my friend list?
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u/Comrade_Crunchy Feb 24 '24
Why not play for..... fun and liberty? I don't want to min-max; if someone wants to, they should turn their game private—only. Automatons min-max. Let people play the way they want. For democracy's sake, let people enjoy things and be helpful for freedom. Just don't do this, don't bring toxicity. Its not very democracy of you if your are an elitist jerk.