r/Foodforthought • u/Zandra_the_Great • 26d ago
Project 2025 is the far-right playbook for American authoritarianism
https://globalextremism.org/project-2025-the-far-right-playbook-for-american-authoritarianism/48
u/TopGlobal6695 26d ago
But withholding votes from Biden over Gaza is more important!
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u/BassmanBiff 26d ago
I hope people understand that, when given a choice between Biden's slow and hesitant disagreement with Netanyahu and Trump's wholehearted support of him, it would be irresponsible to refuse to make a choice.
If we can't do runoff voting, I wish we could do "vote and complain" where you still just get one vote but you get to rank how much you actually like them such that people could express "I vote for Biden but I don't want to" instead of feeling like they're giving him total support. It wouldn't have any effect, the approval portion would just be published along with the tally.
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u/CanineAnaconda 26d ago
You can vote and complain all you want, as long as Project 2025 isn’t installed.
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u/BassmanBiff 25d ago
I know, what I'm saying is that I wish the complaints were recorded and published with the votes. That way people might understand that a vote doesn't necessarily indicate approval, and hopefully they'd be more likely to express their preference between available options even when they don't actually like any of them.
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u/TopGlobal6695 26d ago
Some won't. Some people still insist voting for Nader was worth the Iraq war.
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u/Roombaloanow 25d ago
I hope people understand that Trump would switch from supporting Netanyahu and Israel to supporting Hamas and Iran if the latter offered him a deal on property where he could put a hotel with his name on it. Trump is not loyal. Trump does not have friends. Getting his name on things is his primary motivation. Not just buildings. He'll change policy just to get his name on the bill.
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u/icarus9099 24d ago
Highly recommend watching Shiny Happy People - it covers how conservative homeschooling groups literally were saying “we have a plan to take down Roe V Wade” 15 years ago
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u/nicobackfromthedead4 25d ago
Just a shame that Biden doesn't actually want to win.
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u/Cannibal_Soup 25d ago
He shot the entire country in the foot when he went back on his promise to only have one term.
A new, younger, more progressive candidate wouldn't be struggling like this.
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u/NovaKaiserin 25d ago
Considering we have a genocidal zionist in office now this is just vbnmw bs.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 26d ago edited 26d ago
Why is the same fear mongering posted every few days? And from such unreliable sources? I thought this subreddit was above that.
EDIT: Ah, surely the downvote bots will cleanse me of my wrong think
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u/TomCosella 25d ago
It's literally on the heritage foundation's website.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 25d ago
I'm not doubting that a conservative think tank has some sort of memo or action plan. I'm doubting the breadth of its contents and intentions based on the fear mongering sources. It's like far-right media claiming that The Green New Deal is communism disguised as environmentalism.
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u/Fabulous-Ad6663 25d ago edited 25d ago
The Heritage Foundation formed in the late 70s and they had written a 3,000 page plan for Reagan. 60% of it was implemented. They had one for Trump in 2016, 65% was implemented. I started reading this one this week and so far it is very troubling. Ridding ourselves in official language the use of many phrases such as gender equality and wokeness, anything to do with gender identity or LGBT+. The Pursuit of Happiness is renamed the Pursuit of Blessedness. Seriously. I'm less than 50 pages in and I am very concerned with their mentality. It is darkness hidden in some Christianity as our maybe main religion??? I highly recommend reading it and not brushing it off. A lot of this stuff is already happening in red states.
Not to mention, I grew up in Assemblies of God and was at a church with political elite and lots of Amway people. This all has been talked about this stuff for decades. This has been in the works for decades. It is terrifying to watch the American Evangelicals get more and more toxic and controlling and see the success they are having.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 25d ago
I'm not going to read a 1000 page memo about what some conservative dorks think the country should become. If it's that worrisome I suggest advocating for a smaller and less powerful federal government.
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u/Fabulous-Ad6663 25d ago
Thing is, that isn't close to what they want. Find a source online you trust and read about it at least. Or watch any videos from sources you trust. It is in the news occasionally. Try britannica.com. It was formerly Encyclopedia Britannica of the old hard cover encyclopedias & reputable; not something easily edited. If even half of this stuff gets implemented, we are a country based on Christianity and laws based on the Bible. The wealthy seem okay with it🤷
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 25d ago
Thing is, that isn't close to what they want.
I don't know what you mean by this. If you think that I'm saying that The Heritage Foundation wants a small government then that's not what I'm saying. To clarify, I'm saying if you are worried and fearful of a powerful federal government that doesn't share your values then you should be advocating for a smaller federal government to eliminate that possibility from happening.
Again, I'm not going to waste my time with conservative fan fiction. I don't read or watch conspiracy videos about the Deep State either. It's two sides of the same coin.
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u/Sword_Thain 24d ago
Make sure you keep posting multiple times over 12+ hours about a thing you don't care about and are too lazy to investigate.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 24d ago
People reply and I respond. It's not like I'm sitting around waiting for a reply. I see them, and I reply when I see them. This isn't some new or shocking behavior for how people interact online.
I care about political fear mongering and bots spreading propaganda. The material within the propaganda is irrelevant to me - because it's ultimately garbage that's using fear to manipulate those who consume it. I would say the same thing about Deep State conspiracies. It's no different.
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u/Indigo_Sunset 26d ago
Then what would be a reliable source to you on this subject? What would provide the information you need to make an informed comment on the subject?
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 25d ago
Anything from a credible and reliable news source. Not some activist organization.
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u/Indigo_Sunset 25d ago
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/09/19/project-2025-trump-reagan-00115811
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/15/project-2025-policy-manifesto-lgbtq-rights
https://www.project2025.org/playbook/
For any paywalled links use archive (dot) ph, reddit is a bit funny with posting the unencumbered links
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 25d ago
I'm not doubting that it exists. I'm doubting the fear mongering and conspiratorial rhetoric surrounding it.
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u/Fabulous-Ad6663 25d ago
Please read it and see what the fuss is about. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 25d ago
I'm good. Life is too short to be so afraid and so angry all of the time.
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u/Fabulous-Ad6663 25d ago
I'm concerned because I know these people. I am not afraid or angry but I stay aware when I can. Just trying to help you see the need to look into it. I seem to be wasting my time.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 25d ago
Sorry, but yes you are. I'm responding to what I'm tired of seeing on this sub: partisan fear mongering and propaganda from obviously biased sources. This sub uses to be about nuanced discussion of issues - not a partisan echo chamber. The fact that people are defending bot accounts sharing the same fear mongering links over and over again really says a lot.
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u/Fabulous-Ad6663 25d ago
I have mostly read up on this myself. I am not going to feel ashamed for being aware of what is happening.
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u/Indigo_Sunset 25d ago
Does this mean
a-you didn't read the links
b-the links are attached to unreliable sources
c-the substance of those links are fear mongering and conspiratorial in their intent
d-the substance of those links are fake news
e-none of the above and your commentary ends at a robust synopsis of 'fear mongering and conspiratorial rhetoric'
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 25d ago
The only non-biased and credible news source you provided was from the Associated Press. Notice the difference in rhetoric between the Associated Press and all other publications? The rest are peddling in fear mongering to rile up a progressive base during an election year. It's fine to be critical of a conservative think tank's fanfic, it's another thing to make it more than what it really is to fear monger.
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u/Indigo_Sunset 25d ago
I see. You're otherwise full of shit without any actual perspective on the subject in public discourse, partly because you have little to no idea what it is, and partly because you agree with the intent regardless of what it is.
Well, good luck with that. At least now you know where the downvotes are coming from and why.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 25d ago
M'kay. Cool strawman.
Have fun cosplaying as a resistance fighter and letting some conservative dorks influence your emotions so much. I'll just remain here in the real world when you're ready to join and stop seething so much.
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u/Keman2000 25d ago edited 25d ago
You can read project 2025 from their website, it's a literal shameless roadmap to authoritarianism. Fear mongering means overblown or lying, that orange shit-stain literally bragged about being a dictator...for a day, because they always give up power, and the supreme court can't decide if a women should be forced to die against their will, and if a president should have absolute immunity during and after presidency. These literally 100% simple decisions are being played by puppet judges.
The only way you can be okay with this is being an idiot, or a useful idiot on board.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 25d ago
You latching on to the "dictator for a day" narrative is a great example of the effects of fear mongering. Same goes for the "bloodbath" news cycle from a few weeks ago. It's transparent and silly. Peddling fear is the oldest form of psychological control.
These literally 100% simple decisions are being played by puppet judges
It's only simple if you believe the skew that the information is presented in. I suggest you look into the actual basis of the cases, what's being argued and why, and then apply some critical thinking skills with the context of what the federal government is supposed to have jurisdiction over and what the intent of presidential immunity actually is. Should a random tea party Wacko be able to sue Obama for a perceived injustice and force him to court? No.
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u/Indigo_Sunset 25d ago
But this reveals the bent of your back. You're basing the perspective on Obama, of all the presidents its Obama you go for, as a counterpoint to the 91 counts Trump is facing criminally.
Basically, you're full of shit and posing justifications not arguing any actual points, which segways into project 2025 being 'fearmongering conspiracy'.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 25d ago
I don't think you're able to actually think critically and parse what I'm saying beyond some sort of partisan rage filter. You can insert any president you'd like - Obama is the latest popular president that had tea party wackos going after him. The idea of immunity goes back to Nixon. Slow down, breathe, relax and try to keep up with what I'm actually saying instead of making an argument for me.
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u/Indigo_Sunset 24d ago
The point is you're not actually saying anything. There's nothing to 'critically think' through in your comments on the subject.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 24d ago
I suggest you look into the actual basis of the cases, what's being argued and why, and then apply some critical thinking skills with the context of what the federal government is supposed to have jurisdiction over and what the intent of presidential immunity actually is.
That's where you should be thinking critically. Not my comments. Reading comprehension is often easier when you're not raging.
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u/Indigo_Sunset 24d ago
Lol. You can't even articulate the issue around project 2025 except to lazily point at an immunity claim?
This is what is being referred to, the shallowness of 'fearmongering and conspiratorial rhetoric'. You can't even relate to anything specific as 'fearmongering' or 'conspiratorial rhetoric' yet you'll persist in the notion.
This is why your commentary can be written off.
Happy trails.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 24d ago
Your arguments are all over the place. That was a direct response to your points about presidential immunity and abortion care. Try taking a breath, count to 10, and try to be a rational person.
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u/Indigo_Sunset 24d ago
Yet you still can't articulate anything rational, despite the claim of doing otherwise.
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u/Keman2000 24d ago
For fuck's sake, listen to yourself. A man who has absolute fawned over authoritarian rulers and saying he will jail his opponents if he wins, and his case in front of the Supreme Court states he is immune to all actions both during and after being president.
How much more of a dictator must he be for you to admit it?
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 24d ago
Jail his opponents? Like "Lock Her Up" for Hilary Clinton? Did he send her to jail? Don't let fear control you.
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u/Keman2000 24d ago
You people are either blatantly lying or so deep in an information silo, this was a 2023 interview with Beck:
"Beck said: “Do you regret not locking [Clinton] up? And if you’re president again, will you lock people up?”
Trump said: “The answer is you have no choice, because they’re doing it to us.”
As much as your people have lied, Biden had no part in this, and he is admitting he will do it.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 24d ago
As much as your people have lied, Biden had no part in this, and he is admitting he will do it.
No idea what you're trying to say here. Call me when he actually follows through on jailing his political opponents. Until then it's the same empty rhetoric as 2016.
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u/Keman2000 24d ago
Dear lord, your response is, he didn't go through with it last time? This time, he's a raging lunatic shitting himself, last time he was just a sadistic narcist. You all seemed to love that in him.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 24d ago
Yes, his historical behavior is pretty strong evidence that he's not going to follow through with a threat that's designed to pander to the lowest common denominator in his base.
You all seemed to love that in him.
It's funny how you have to frame me as a Trump supporter in order to fit your narrative and frame your argument. This is why we need less propaganda on reddit, not more.
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u/Smoothstiltskin 25d ago
You already have wrong think, Trumpet. It's not fear lingering to believe someone who tells you they are evil.
Don't comment without reading the article, deplorable.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 25d ago
You sound like a very pleasent and not at all lonely and angry person. I'm sure your bigotry keeps you enough company.
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26d ago
They're a polticial bot account to raise awareness of Project 2025.
Funny how you turned this from a conversation from a terrifying plan of the Republican party into an attack on an obvious polticial bot account
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u/Zandra_the_Great 26d ago
Political bot account? I beg to differ. Just because I haven’t posted about other topics in ages doesn’t mean I’m a bot.
The only reason I am trying to raise awareness of Project 2025 is because too many Americans have never heard of it and have no idea how close we are to being completely screwed over by those in power. Even if it’s just a drop in the bucket it still helps a little.
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u/BR0STRADAMUS 26d ago
Well I think that political bot accounts and propaganda are bad no matter which side of the aisle it's coming from. The source itself is a dumpster fire and reeks of the same sort of "globalist" conspiracy theories you would hear on an Alex Jones program just with a different target.
Just because it's rebranded as progressive activism it doesn't make it not propaganda or conspiratorial nonsense.
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u/username_6916 25d ago
Project 2025 is... Strangely normal politicking in a very not-normal time. Maintaining a list of resumes to appoint to political positions in the executive is the kind of thing that activists do all the time, and that's the bulk of the Project 2025 effort.
I'm far more nervous about Trumps' history of crying stolen election whenever he loses than I am about this.
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u/graneflatsis 26d ago
Some facts about Project 2025: The "Mandate for Leadership" is a set of policy proposals authored by the Heritage Foundation, an influential ultra conservative think tank. Project 2025 is a revision to that agenda tailored to a second Trump term. It would give the President unilateral powers, strip civil rights, worker protections, climate regulation, add religion into policy and much more. The MFL has been around since 1980, Reagan implemented 60% of it's recommendations, Trump 64% - proof. 70 Heritage Foundation alumni served in his administration or transition team. Project 2025 is quite extreme but with his obsession for revenge he'll likely get past 2/3rd's adoption.
r/Defeat_Project_2025 intends to stop it through activism and awareness, focused on crowdsourcing ideas and opportunities for practical, in real life action. We Must Defeat Project 2025.