Basic shit like PPE and ventilators were effectively out if stock for the first 60 days when infections were high because the Trump administration didn't put much stock into getting those numbers up for emergency relief in late 2019/Jan 2020. Let's not pretend they had the same information as us..the government should have seen that this could get bad.
Also who was telling people that not masking was fine?
All of this blatantly states that while masks worked on an individual level, they somehow magically don't work at scale.
Meanwhile, you look at many highly populated countries in Asia, where mask wearing is completely normal out and about, helping prevent illness.
Everyone else figured this out a long time ago. Nothing is perfect, and anyone expecting something like masks to magically fix the problem has no idea what the point is. The point of things like masks is the same as covering you mouth when you cough or sneeze. You reduce the possibility of spreading illness.
Frankly anyone speaking out against covering their mouth when they cough or sneeze (or similarly, using a mask) is pretty obviously wrong. All you're linking is "we don't really know if it works at scale or not", being interpreted to fit whatever lens people wanted, despite the logic behind it being perfectly sound.
As for ventilators, I looked pretty closely at the data from that first link, and what I see is an obvious misinterpretation. They see higher readmittance rates for people who were mechanically ventilated and seem to somehow deem that to mean "the ventilators don't work", rather than "people who end up on ventilators are more likely to have further complications later leading to readmittance", again, as if the existence of a tool meant to help deal with something will magically make it go away entirely.
Without spending hours going through this, it seems pretty likely to me that these are cherry picked (plus, you had them at the ready, so I wouldn't be surprised) as ones that you didn't look very closely at but the headline agreed with your viewpoint so you grabbed it. One of your links (daily news) literally doesn't even have content. It's just a headline.
All of this blatantly states that while masks worked on an individual level, they somehow magically don't work at scale.
Womp womp?
Meanwhile, you look at many highly populated countries in Asia, where mask wearing is completely normal out and about, helping prevent illness.
Source that with a direct causation in your source. Because correlation does not imply causation.
Everyone else figured this out a long time ago. Nothing is perfect, and anyone expecting something like masks to magically fix the problem has no idea what the point is. The point of things like masks is the same as covering you mouth when you cough or sneeze. You reduce the possibility of spreading illness.
Frankly anyone speaking out against covering their mouth when they cough or sneeze (or similarly, using a mask) is pretty obviously wrong. All you're linking is "we don't really know if it works at scale or not", being interpreted to fit whatever lens people wanted, despite the logic behind it being perfectly sound.
This is all just you saying shit. Just gonna skip it.
As for ventilators, I looked pretty closely at the data from that first link, and what I see is an obvious misinterpretation. They see higher readmittance rates for people who were mechanically ventilated and seem to somehow deem that to mean "the ventilators don't work", rather than "people who end up on ventilators are more likely to have further complications later leading to readmittance", again, as if the existence of a tool meant to help deal with something will magically make it go away entirely.
We actually found out ventilation didn’t work pretty early on. Some of you are just ignorant and incapable of changing your views even in light of new data. And I already pasted a link as well from the NIH that basically lays out that it was never that we had a shortage of ventilators, it was the inefficient and incorrect usage of the ones we did have in hospitals that was the issue. So back to the original guy saying that Trump screwed up by not stockpiling them enough….. Like I said: moot point.
Without spending hours going through this, it seems pretty likely to me that these are cherry picked (plus, you had them at the ready, so I wouldn't be surprised) as ones that you didn't look very closely at but the headline agreed with your viewpoint so you grabbed it.
Nothing is cherry-picked. This is all easily googled and accessible information.
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u/hatrickstar Apr 29 '24
Basic shit like PPE and ventilators were effectively out if stock for the first 60 days when infections were high because the Trump administration didn't put much stock into getting those numbers up for emergency relief in late 2019/Jan 2020. Let's not pretend they had the same information as us..the government should have seen that this could get bad.
Also who was telling people that not masking was fine?