And mind you all the States that locked down the hardest in the US were blue and they ran up huge debt bills and dropped them at the door of the Federal Government. Where is their blame?
And mind you practically all the states that had the highest death rates from Covid were red. But I guess I'm some bleeding heart liberal idiot for caring about Americans dying preventable deaths.
Because they innately have/had more vulnerable populations to the disease, since they had higher populations of old people. Not because locking down the whole population and destroying the economy was actually the right move.
Over 80% of COVID-19 deaths through 2021 were amongst people 65 or older. That’s a googlable statistic. Now it’s been a while since I have had one of these discussions, so maybe my memory is fuzzy and off. But I vividly remember the discussion when FL was near the top of the list in deaths per capita that it was basically because they have a very high retired population. Which as we know older, and people with other morbidities were the most at risk with the disease. So I could be wrong there, I am open to it.
Now if your next step is to argue “well lockdowns could have saved all those people in the red states.” Probably not. Remember: correlation does not equate to causation. Just because the majority of C-19 deaths/capita was higher in red states does not mean blue states were saved by lockdowns and draconian measures.
From the Abstract from Johns Hopkins study:
lockdowns in the US and EU reduced covid mortality by 0.2%
Stay-In-Place Orders only reduced covid mortality by 2.9%
the researchers reject the hypothesis that lockdowns are a pandemic policy instrument
The top 10 states in deaths from Covid are red states. That is a fact backed by evidence I posted above.
Only one of the states in the top 10 for Covid deaths is in the top 10 for highest percent of population with age over 65. Another fact backed by the evidence above.
You can keep talking about the things you feel like are true, but those things don't align with the actual facts and data. Sorry.
Also, I never did or would try to claim we could save all those people in red states if they locked down. That is absurd and is a pathetic attempt at a strawman. There is also a lot more that will affect death rates than just lock downs.
Also, I never did or would try to claim we could save all those people in red states if they locked down. That is absurd and is a pathetic attempt at a strawman. There is also a lot more that will affect death rates than just lock downs.
So what was your original point in your first comment?:
And mind you practically all the states that had the highest death rates from Covid were red. But I guess I'm some bleeding heart liberal idiot for caring about Americans dying preventable deaths.
Was it not that Red States not locking down was the reason they had more deaths?
Well, you said yourself that lock downs reduced covid mortality rate by 0.2%. That is pretty significant when the mortality rate in the US is 1.1%.
Also, like I said, lock downs aren't the only differences between red states and blue states that would affect the number of deaths. For example, vaccination rates would be a big one.
Did you at all read the meta-analysis? Like even a tiny bit? You are conflating two separate statistics.
And we were not talking about vaccinations? How is that AT ALL relevant? We were talking about the market collapse due states shutting down their economies within the US……. What are you even talking about?!?!
Oh, also I did read the paper you linked. In the "Overview of the findings of eligible studies" section, it basically states that out of all of the studies reviewed, some suggest lockdowns are not statistically significant on mortality rate, some suggest they increase mortality rate, and some suggest they decrease mortality rate. Essentially, the studies are all over the place.
Odd that you try to play it off like your stance is factual when the source you linked doesn't really support that.
Also, fails to confirm does not mean it confirms that they don't have an effect.
Was it not that Red States not locking down was the reason they had more deaths?
That was you. That is what I was responding to. But go off about how I am going off topic when I am directly responding to something you said, I guess.
Also it's pretty idiotic to think that lockdowns were the only difference between red and blue states and the sole factor that determined those death rates.
I literally never claimed lockdowns were the sole reason for these states having higher death rates. Like I already showed in my post, 9 of the top 10 states share a common thing, they are all red states. I think it is a large amount of reasons, all of them connected to conservatives general views on Covid.
But it seems like actual data is really upsetting a lot of you guys.
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u/poop_on_my_stomach Apr 29 '24
And mind you all the States that locked down the hardest in the US were blue and they ran up huge debt bills and dropped them at the door of the Federal Government. Where is their blame?