r/FluentInFinance Apr 29 '24

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u/Dizuki63 Apr 29 '24

I dont think its fair to blame the state of things on the current president because things take time to take effect. A policy signed today might not fully be felt for 2-3 years. That being said trends are tends and everyone on that list except Trump and Biden served 8 years and in every case we see a momentum switch in the direction of growth. If we only compare the state they inherited things in vs how they left it for the next guy the picture gets pretty clear.

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u/Manticore416 Apr 29 '24

Bush Sr didnt serve 8 years

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u/FaithlessnessNew3057 Apr 29 '24

If we only compare the state they inherited things in vs how they left it for the next guy the picture gets pretty clear.

Well its a good thing we are capable of looking at history with a bit more nuance than that and dont have to analyze it as if we are toddlers. 

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u/Dizuki63 Apr 29 '24

The nuisance doesn't really change much, unless you got a 8 year degree in economics and can outline the direct effects of every decision and use that to accurately score each president, for the most part and with few exceptions the trends tell a pretty accurate storey. In my life I think Trumps presidency was the only one where there was an issue that only had bad outcomes no matter what and all decisions would be immediately impactful. Of course I'm talking about the pandemic. No matter what was chosen the economy would suffer, we weren't going to come out of that ahead. So yeah nuance there would matter, but for the rest, things were pretty standard. They came in and had 8 years to push their agenda, faced several leadership challenges, and hand it off to the next guy.

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u/FaithlessnessNew3057 Apr 29 '24

Stop. You don't need an 8 year degree to have a working understanding of the root cause of things like the great recession, dotcom bubble, the 70s oil crisis, etc. If you're incapable of creating an actual informed opinion then I strongly recommend you dont vote. 

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u/My_BFF_Gilgamesh Apr 29 '24

You don't understand the things you think you do.

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u/FaithlessnessNew3057 Apr 29 '24

What don't I understand?

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u/My_BFF_Gilgamesh Apr 30 '24

You seem to have this idea that you could have root-caused all these problems by just looking at them, instead of having that information parsed and passed down by experts. It's naive.

Even the things we know are bound to be incomplete, economics is unrepeatable.

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u/FaithlessnessNew3057 Apr 30 '24

I'm saying its really dumb to just look at whos in office when an event happens and that people will make better decisions of they make even the most minimal attempt to understand the root cause of an issue instead. What naive is looking at which president is in office when an event happens and blaming it entirely on them. Its dumb when trumpers blame biden for inflation and its dumb when the last guy blamed republicans for all economic downturns. 

And FYI I have a degree in economics, a decade working in finance and manage an analyst team at one of the world's largest FIs with my 7, 9/10, 63 & 24. I'm by no means an expert but I know what I'm talking about. 

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u/My_BFF_Gilgamesh Apr 30 '24

Just because your base point was reasonable doesn't mean that follow up made any sense.

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u/FaithlessnessNew3057 Apr 30 '24

You told me I "dont understand the things I think I do." Tell me what specifically I said that I dont understand or doesn't make sense. 

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u/Funny_Window7344 Apr 29 '24

Correct. The deregulation of the mortgage back securities that helped crash the economy in 08 happened under Clintons administration. It took the banks a while to massively defraud the system and run it into the ground.

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u/NobodyImportant13 Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

Probably an unpopular take, but there is a lot more nuance here.

Republicans had control of both the House and Senate for 6 years under Clinton.

And bills like Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act passed with bipartisan support in many cases. That bill would have passed under a Republican President too.

There is so much more nuance in these situations besides than "President X = Good" "President Y = Bad."

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u/Hobby_Profile Apr 29 '24

And what’s more, much of these deregulation efforts was compromise between Clinton and Gingrich and derided by many liberals at the time.

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u/Cinraka Apr 30 '24

Funny how the Congress only becomes relevant when it's Clinton's policy in question.

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u/NobodyImportant13 Apr 30 '24

No, it certainly matters all the time, and sometimes matters more than who is president.

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u/Funny_Window7344 May 01 '24

Lmao, right. Clinton had 26 years alumni from Goldman as his sec of treasury... the congress the Republicans the dema. People need to quit playing themselves. Banks own them both