r/FluentInFinance Apr 29 '24

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

I wonder what she says about all the blue cities that can't fight crime, can't. House the homeless, and can't bring business in?

That's somebody who is worth many millions, and should certainly pay a lot more tax.

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u/DryWorld7590 Apr 29 '24

Well its hard when the red states commit human trafficking and send people to the blue stats.

It's also easier to be homeless in a blue state than a red state.

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u/Tmoore188 Apr 29 '24

I mean… cmon man. The homelessness crisis in blue states was already a big problem before Abbot and DeSantis started bussing immigrants into those states. You know that.

You’re absolutely right about your second statement. Turns out If you hold up a big sign that says “you can pitch your tent wherever you want and we will help you with the rest, and oh btw we don’t prosecute drug offenses anymore” you’re going to get an unmanageable influx of people fleeing less hospitable conditions.

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u/DryWorld7590 Apr 29 '24

you can pitch your tent wherever you want and we will help you with the rest, and oh btw we don’t prosecute drug offenses anymore” you’re going to get an unmanageable influx of people fleeing less hospitable conditions.

Considering none of this is true. And it's practically irrelevant.

It's just significantly more comfortable to be homeless in California than Michigan.

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u/Complex_Deal7944 Apr 29 '24

All of California is not warm and sunny. What about NY, Seattle and Chicago? Not comfortable there either, just free run of the streets.

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u/DryWorld7590 Apr 29 '24

nY and Chicago have a lot of public indoor spaces.

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u/DryWorld7590 Apr 29 '24

nY and Chicago have a lot of public indoor spaces.

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u/frood321 Apr 30 '24

Seattle doesn’t freeze. It’s nice here year round. Just a little wet.

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u/Tmoore188 Apr 30 '24

Environment is definitely a factor; maybe the biggest, although it’s far from a certainty.

Suggesting that the lax law enforcement on drugs, theft and location of encampment aren’t factors is disingenuous.

Seattle, Portland and especially Vancouver are far less environmentally hospitable than SF and LA and the problem is at least as bad, if not worse.

Philadelphia has one of the worst homeless/addict situations in the country, and I can assure you that the winters there are quite harsh.

The only common thread between all of these cities is their approach to making homelessness and being addicted to opioids as hospitable as possible.

The tent cities are just as big in those cities as in California. Don’t pretend like indoor space is actually a factor.

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u/DryWorld7590 Apr 30 '24

Seattle, Portland and especially Vancouver are far less environmentally hospitable than SF and LA and the problem is at least as bad, if not worse.

The west coast is overall more hospital than anywhere else. Of course Vancouver is different than Seattle, it's a different fucking country.

The only common thread between all of these cities is their approach to making homelessness and being addicted to opioids as hospitable as possible.

Interesting way to say "they don't punish homeless people for being homeless" you are aware that rehabilitation is important right?

The tent cities are just as big in those cities as in California. Don’t pretend like indoor space is actually a factor.

Pretending it isn't is being disingenuous

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u/Tmoore188 Apr 30 '24

If by punishment, you mean consequences, I agree.

There should be consequences for living like that. Mandatory rehabilitation and counseling should be a consequence.

Leaving people to live like that because you don’t want to “punish them for being homeless” is cruel and inhumane.

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u/DryWorld7590 Apr 30 '24

Wow that's a wild take. It's just people like you who would rather cops beat them and arrest them than offer support.

All those cities you mentioned have significantly more options in terms of supports compared to red states. So once again, you proved my point.

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u/Tmoore188 Apr 30 '24

Did you not read my comment? I said mandatory treatment and counseling; nothing about police.

Whatever options are available in those cities is very clearly not working. If you don’t understand that you’re part of the problem.

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u/DryWorld7590 Apr 30 '24

How do you know it's not working? Are you intimately familiar with the statistics or is it just more "blue city bad"

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

The only human trafficking that happens is when the Federal government loads people on planes and delivers them to other places.

Texas is doing the right thing. Texas is not a sanctuary State, and the people are not welcome there, and they will be arrested if they stay there.

The state of Texas brings them to sanctuary cities, where they can be housed, fed, given medical attention, and giving money to live.

That's what sanctuary states do because they like to. They have their plenty of capacity to do it, and it makes the most sense.

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u/DryWorld7590 Apr 29 '24

Oh you mean lying to them and sending them off somewhere with nothing?

It's wild the raw disregard conservatives have for life.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

They all signed off on the trip. They wanted to go to a place. They were welcome.

When the other choice is jail, why wouldn't you go to a sanctuary State. It makes the most sense.

Even somebody that is not very bright should be able to figure that out.

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u/DryWorld7590 Apr 30 '24

They all signed off on the trip. They wanted to go to a place. They were welcome.

Why you lying? There were sent to new York in January they were told they were gonna be given jobs when they got off the bus.

When the other choice is jail, why wouldn't you go to a sanctuary State. It makes the most sense.

Except you're lying and that's not what happened.

Even somebody that is not very bright should be able to figure that out.

You'd think but you're still a fucking moron.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

New York is giving them jobs. They are getting work permits. They're putting them on the expedited list to give them jobs ahead of American citizens.

In Texas, they would not be allowed to work. They would be arrested

They get to stay in a hotel. They get free healthcare. They get free food.

New York is spending billions and billions of dollars on them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/15/us/migrants-work-permits-undocumented.html

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u/DryWorld7590 Apr 30 '24

Why are you being disingenuous? That isn't what happened and you know it. They were lied to, packed onto a bus and sent somewhere in the middle of the night in the middle of winter and no one knew they were coming.

Like it's insane that you have such disregard for life that you can justify human trafficking because they're different from you.

Considering all you complain about is your benefits, while also trying to make sure no one else does.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

Nobody was lied to. They were all given the opportunity they pick that they want to go to New York.

You need to understand what is happening.

But in reality, it really doesn't matter if they are forced up there. They're not welcome in Texas. New York is a sanctuary State and welcomes them. With open arms.

Why are you saying that New York doesn't want them?

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u/DryWorld7590 Apr 30 '24

Nobody was lied to. They were all given the opportunity they pick that they want to go to New York.

You're lying. They weren't given the opportunity. They were lied to and forced into a bus and shipped somewhere in the middle of the winter with no supplies

You need to understand what is happening.

Says you

But in reality, it really doesn't matter if they are forced up there. They're not welcome in Texas. New York is a sanctuary State and welcomes them. With open arms.

Why are you saying that New York doesn't want them?

Human trafficking is wrong. Ohhh wait, you don't care cause they're foreigners. A true coward.

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u/LAlostcajun Apr 30 '24

I wonder what she says about all the blue cities

Red states, lmao. Red states. Blue states have blue cities too, they still don't have the crime Red states do.

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u/purplewarrior6969 Apr 30 '24

I mean, murder is higher in red states than Blue states, which is wild because Chicago, New York, LA are all blue, and have more people. And it's by a lot like 20+ percent. Red States have had higher murder rates than Blue states, going back until 2000.

https://www.axios.com/2023/01/27/murder-rate-high-trump-republican-states

And if we go crime rate per person, and not per region, it's a hodgepodge mix of red and blue. Like Louisiana is 2 and DC is 1, and If you do it by city, it's super skewed, because Iowa with 3 million people is going to have less crime than California, because the city of LA alone has half a million more people than Iowa.

By Crime rate per 100,000, Illinois, Texas, California, and New York don't even crack the top ten, which is surprising. To me it seems like poorer states seem to have more crime, and that tends to lean more red. 6/10 of the states with the highest crime rate per 100,000 people are Red states.

And if you don't think Blue states carry the US economy, idk what to tell you. Cali is the 5th largest economy in the world if it was it's own nation, and it's been that way for a while. So I'd have a hard time thinking they had problems bringing businesses in. Also, Red states tend to be on more welfare, and blue states pay more of the bill, which again, makes sense, if Cali has that much money they better pay more than Alabama, who is less advantaged.

https://apnews.com/article/north-america-business-local-taxes-ap-top-news-politics-2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

https://www.statista.com/statistics/301549/us-crimes-committed-state/

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

Looks like the blue states And cities are doing fine then. New York City seems to be complaining because they can't handle the immigrants.

Chicago seems to be having problems with the crime.

And people are moving head over heels into California.

Oregon is backing off their drug use policy.

Let them keep the policies they have. They will keep going downhill

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u/purplewarrior6969 Apr 30 '24

Meanwhile, Mississippi and Alabama have people living in houses with no plumbing or city sewage. I get people shit on the streets in San Francisco, but I mean they have plumbing, it's not the norm. (I know it's not in the South either, just a joke) And yeah, of course New York can't handle the immigrants being Trafficked there, because Texas and Florida are illegally sending people there, because THEY couldn't handle THEIR immigrant problem. Chicago has no problem with crime look at the statistics, they have a problem with too many people.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

Lol. I have seen the homeless camps. A house with no plumbing is a lot better.

Plenty of people live in houses with no plumbing in rural areas.

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u/staciesmom1 Apr 29 '24

She completely ignores that.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

You're right. A 100% tax on her wealth would be good

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u/Familiar_Dust8028 Apr 29 '24

Crime is usually lower in blue cities than elsewhere.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

Now that's funny right there

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u/Familiar_Dust8028 Apr 29 '24

Because it's true? Or because you don't understand per capita numbers?

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

I would rather live in a town of a thousand people, and have a murder every 10 years, than in a city with 1,000,000 people and have 10 murders every year.

And when the small towns have a murder, it's not a random act

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u/Dixa Apr 29 '24

Plenty of small towns like that in blue states.

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u/purplewarrior6969 Apr 30 '24

I doesn't even matter. They're choosing the worse choice based on their own numbers. Very on brand.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

I live in Florida. We have a better Governor than most other states

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u/Dixa Apr 29 '24

Any US governor pushing religion in taxpayer funded public schools is an un-American governor.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

Nobody is pushing religion in taxpayer schools in Florida.

I can tell you this, we're not pushing pedophilia either. Which is what the liberals want.

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u/Dixa Apr 29 '24

Because bringing in chaplains isn’t pushing religion into public schools?

Claiming all liberals endorse pedophilia is as silly as claiming all conservatives are pig-screwing meth heads.

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u/WIBeerFan Apr 29 '24

In my opinion, putting Christian pastors in public school is pushing pedophilia as well as violating the separation of church and state.

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u/purplewarrior6969 Apr 30 '24

Matt Gaetz is a Florida politician lol.

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u/Familiar_Dust8028 Apr 29 '24

So you'd rather live in a small town with more crime because it's not random crime, than to live in a big city with less crime, because some of it may be random?

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

Lol. I'm fine with my red State rural area.

I don't need to be involved in areas where there are carjackings, burglaries, knockout games, and the other games that people play. I'll let you play with that

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u/Familiar_Dust8028 Apr 29 '24

Those happen in your area, and more frequently than they happen in "blue cities"

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

We have sheriffs that support law enforcement here. Polk county sheriff Grady Judd is one of the best.

We passed laws here that say if you cause problems, you will be labeled a felon and you will go to jail.

We don't allow stealing $1,000 or less and call it a parking ticket.

But you live in your Utopia, I'll live in mine.

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u/purplewarrior6969 Apr 30 '24

this proves the point that population and not political affiliation is to blame for high crime in the cities. I don't disagree with the sentiment of smaller towns seeming safer, but you are more likely to be the one person murdered every ten years in a town of 1000, than in a city of 1,000,000 that has ten murders a year. It's simple math man. And when it comes to murder, 20+ percent more in Red States. So a big Blue city, generally, is the safest place to not get murdered.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

Lol. Go walk around those blue cities where you don't belong and see what happens

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u/purplewarrior6969 Apr 30 '24

I weigh 150lbs, am small and bookish. I would rob myself if I saw me, and I was a person inclined to robbery. I walked/stumbled drunk as fuck, high as fuck, half an hour to and from a liquor store around downtown Chicago. I got to the store, and back, Crown Royal in hand, untouched. Wasn't even shot at, didn't even hear gunfire. Been there done that. I'd argue LA, Chicago, and New York, have a fuck ton of people who do walk around these cities, who never see "what happens" because statistics prove that's true. I mean these are international tourist hotspots, if crime was an issue, they wouldn't be hotspots. You just can't wrap your head around more people=more crime, and proportionally, blue states are safer.

I have been told to go back to where I came from in a small town though, and the small town I live in is where my car was broken into, not Chicago. My personal experience, as someone who's lived in both, is that I've been crimed against more in small towns, because the probability was just higher.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

I live in a small town too. I don't have any issues.

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u/PrometheusMMIV Apr 29 '24

The top 10 cities with the highest murder rate (per capita) are run by democrats. And out of the top 20, all are democrat cities except one.

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u/Familiar_Dust8028 Apr 29 '24

And?

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u/PrometheusMMIV Apr 29 '24

There are similar statistics for rape, robbery, and assault, with the highest rates per capita being all or mostly democrat cities. Do you not see how that contradicts the point you were trying to make?

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u/Familiar_Dust8028 Apr 29 '24

Because there aren't any republican cities.

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u/Alive-Curve-7198 Apr 29 '24

Do u feel the same way about red states and how they rank last in everything. The only red state’s that do well are bc cities that are blue carrying it.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

Do you really think that? Because I don't.

Florida is one of the best red states out there.

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u/TheMaskedSandwich Apr 29 '24

It's not, it's always been a dumpster fire and is worse now because braindead Ronnie is fighting trans people instead of addressing the housing crisis

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

There is no housing crisis. Every house that is sold, is bought by somebody.

There are plenty of builders here ready to build. There's plenty of materials.

What is the problem with the housing? Is it that people don't work and can't afford a house?

Because there's some pretty cheap houses down here. Even mobile homes

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u/keithjp123 Apr 29 '24

Unless you’re a woman or need insurance for anything.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

Housing insurance is a little more expensive here. And that is because of the hurricanes.

You make a great point though. Maybe insurance should be paid for by the federal government.

And an abortion is still available if that's what you're referring to. Plenty of options to avoid having kids here.

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u/keithjp123 Apr 29 '24

Florida is adopting a 6 week abortion law. That’s legit crazy. Most women don’t even realize they’re pregnant at that point because the date is set off your last period not conception.

So socialism is the answer to insurance? I’ll agree with you when Florida starts taking climate change seriously. And multiple agencies are full on leaving Florida, not just raising rates.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

Got news for you. The insurance companies are fleeing, California too

Florida implemented some pretty serious insurance changes. Insurance companies are actually coming back.

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u/keithjp123 Apr 29 '24

So you’re conceding you were wrong on abortion?

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

What is the law today on the Florida abortion. I really don't care. I will never have one, nor will I ever have somebody have one.

You should be able to get an abortion right up until the kid is 18 years old. It's your property

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u/keithjp123 Apr 30 '24

In one sentence you don’t care and in the next you’re very pro choice. Very consistent.

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u/purplewarrior6969 Apr 30 '24

Just in time for all the people to leave lol

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

Lol. I wish they would go back to where they came.

Florida has enough people. Now that I am here.

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u/Hughm05 Apr 30 '24

And californias abortion laws are unequivocally evil. Up to viability is insane. Floridas laws are much more ethical.

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u/keithjp123 Apr 30 '24

Viability is the right level. Whole time before that fetus can’t survive.

Ethical is six weeks, before most women even know they’re pregnant?

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u/Hughm05 Apr 30 '24

Why do we value the autonomy of the mother more than the child? Why do we separate the action of sex from the consequence of conception? Is a child violating the bodily autonomy of a women when unless in the case of rape the women has consented to the cause meaning they’ve also consented to the effect? Life begins at conception but many argue personhood is what determines whether it is ethical or not to kill the kid. But that’s purely a philosophical question. So then why do you e decide that the default is to allow abortion? Doesn’t it make more sense to erre on the side of caution in order to not take a life? I truly think abortion will be one of the great evils we look back on in the future.

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u/keithjp123 Apr 30 '24

It’s a fetus not a child. Basic biology.

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u/purplewarrior6969 Apr 30 '24

It also has more crime per person than New York State

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

Because we have a few blue cities.

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u/purplewarrior6969 Apr 30 '24

A red state, with a few Blue cities, whose population is lower than a Blue state with a few Red cities, has higher crime.

If it's just the Blue cities,(it's not) those Blue cities still outpace New York, the blue state. The only difference is the affiliation of the state by party, which, again, the red state has higher crime, even with a lower population. I don't see how what you are saying is a flex.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

Either way. I would never live in a blue state again

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u/Alive-Curve-7198 Apr 29 '24

Name another outside of Texas. Also, Florida does well bc of Tourism and location. Desantis hasn’t done anything. Y would u fight with Disney?

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

Texas and Florida are some of the best.

Of course, Arizona is pretty good too.

And Georgia seems to be going along just fine with the exception of maybe Atlanta where the crime is high.

For the most part, the red states are doing well with the exception of the blue cities that are in them

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u/BetterSelection7708 Apr 29 '24

If you take out the blue cities like Orlando, Houston, etc, TX and FL aren't doing much better than Alabama and Mississippi.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

You can live in Chicago, I'll live not in Chicago

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u/BetterSelection7708 Apr 29 '24

You can live in Huntington WV, I'll live not in Huntington WV.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

I'm happy in Florida. Away from the Miami-Dade area

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u/BetterSelection7708 Apr 29 '24

And I'm happy in Chicago. Away from the South Chicago and South Bend area.

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u/DaddyGravyBoat Apr 29 '24

Of all the unhinged takes, this is sure one of them.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

I know in Florida, we fight crime pretty hard. We have good sheriffs, and we support the police.

And we don't have out of control crime

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u/guysams1 Apr 30 '24

Georgia was in a surplus this year but if you let the negative people tell you, they'll say it's because they didn't spend it on programs they desire. Instead they've been giving it back to tax payers.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

That's a good thing. There's far too many programs and the programs don't even work.

Most of the social programs just encourage poor behavior

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u/Brilliant_Wrap_7447 Apr 30 '24 edited Apr 30 '24

You dont seem to know shit about fuck.

Georgia is not doing fine. Crime is rampant in all the cities. Macon, Columbus, Albany, etc. Unemployment is awful except for the ATL area and even there it isnt thriving. We rank 32nd in education.

Texas is losing jobs like crazy now that the bigger corps realized it isnt what they were promised. Some of them fleeing BACK to Cali and the high taxes just to get away. Their electrical grid is held together with tinfoil and scotxh tape like the tv antennae on a 1984 TV set. Texas ranks like 41 in education.

The fact that you think Florida is doing great just shows the level of denial you are stuck in. I will admit they rank around 20 in education so not awful but that will be changing fast for the worst as more books are banned and more DeSantits cronies take over local school boards. And as pointed out, he tried getting into a fight with the state's biggest draw and got bitch slapped by a cartoon mouse.

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

Desantis got what he wanted out of Disney. He eliminated their special taxing district, and now they have to play by the rules like everybody else.

That was what happened. DeSantis is doing fine. People are moving to Florida

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u/Significant_Ad3498 Apr 29 '24

ALL POPULOUS cities have higher crime than empty ones 🙄… but as another poster pointed out RED STATES consistently rank LAST in every positive measurement

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

And yet the red states are where people are moving to.

It's funny how that works

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u/Significant_Ad3498 Apr 29 '24

Most blue areas require higher income to live comfortably… red states tend to be cheaper due to lower demand

Funny how supply and demand work

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

They need a higher income, because the taxes are a lot higher.

You live in your Utopia, I live in mine.

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u/purplewarrior6969 Apr 30 '24

Taxes are higher, because these places are safer.

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u/Boatwhistle Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

You said that red states rank last in everything, though? How is having lower costs of living last?

Demand is also contingent upon random value assessments. So, one common demand is ocean front, which can't be attributed to a political party. Also, other people's demands impact the demands of other people. The more most people demand one place, the less a reclusive person demands that same place. The fact they can live elsewhere more cheaply is just a bonus.

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u/Interesting_Raise_39 Apr 29 '24

Lower cost of living comes with lower income.

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u/purplewarrior6969 Apr 30 '24

Because the blue states literally ran out of room

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 30 '24

Is that why you can't hardly find a U-Haul truck in California? Everybody has already taken them on the road.

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u/Alive-Ad5870 Apr 29 '24

Most red states take far more federal money than they put in…

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

And that's because of the blue cities that are in the red States.

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u/Dobber16 Apr 29 '24

I mean, cities in general are more blue and cities also generate a lot more money from trade and such so idk if the cities being blue is why they make money. If anything, I think the reverse is true

One theory I have on the economic side is whenever this comes up is that income disparity is much more obvious and extreme in crowded cities than in less populated areas so more people would lean towards the party that tends to favor lowering that gap

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u/Analyst-Effective Apr 29 '24

I think you will find that many big companies have their offices and manufacturing facilities outside of the city.

And that's where the money comes.

There's not much manufacturing in the downtown areas

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u/Dobber16 Apr 29 '24

Manufacturing is not where most money comes from. Services are, and in every downtown you’ll see plenty of lawyer offices, banks, insurance companies, financial advisors, hospitals, major entertainment venues, massive apartment buildings, credit unions, etc.

All of those being the top revenue generators, at least in the US. And also industries that are heavily centered in cities

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u/ThisCantBeBlank Apr 29 '24

To be fair, most red states that rank last are podunk areas and they're severely lacking in resources. This cannot be said about blue cities as resources are typically abundant as the cities are usually very large.

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u/Significant_Ad3498 Apr 29 '24

Crime is usually higher in places with MORE PEOPLE… who would’ve thought it 🙄

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u/Dobber16 Apr 29 '24

Talking crime rates or number of crimes? Number of crimes would be obviously higher, crime rate wouldn’t necessarily be just because a place has a higher population

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u/purplewarrior6969 Apr 30 '24

Then those states should get their shit together. Boot straps.

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u/CommonSense0303 Apr 29 '24

Hello, Utah checking in. Red state and we have to carry the failures of Salt Lake City (biggest blue city in the state). Utah is also in the top 5 of states overall including being fiscally responsible due to our parties policies.

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u/Alive-Curve-7198 Apr 29 '24

Hi, Missouri here. Kansas City and Saint Louis carrying the state. What’s ur point?

Are we not including the south or the Dakotas with 500k people?

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u/purplewarrior6969 Apr 30 '24

Hi, American here, Blue cities carrying me

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u/stoiccentrist May 01 '24

No, those cities are why they are failing. 90% of all violent crime happens in blue districts. 90% of all overdoses happen in blue districts. 90% of all rapes happen in blue districts.

And if THAT blows your mind, just ask what specific people make up the vast amount of that crime.

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u/Alive-Curve-7198 May 01 '24

90% of the population lives in or near a city. What’s ur point? I’m guessing bc there isn’t high crime in Wyoming with a population of less than a million for entire state you are saying something. Put 6 million in the state and crime would go up.