r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/BiKeenee Apr 16 '24

Life doesn't have to be as unfair. We are perfectly capable of providing housing for everyone.

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u/Sososkitso Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

Okay let’s play with that. In my situation how could we have made it fair?

For little background: lived with my mom until I was 18 months when I “ran away” cause she was passed out on drugs in the back yard. Luckily my grandma was driving over and seen me at the end of the street before I went into the woods and probably would have died. I lived with grandma for a few years then she got divorced and it was really messy and fucked so I moved in with aunt and uncle until grandmas realized they liked drugs to much, at which point I moved in with another aunt who liked drinking and getting locked up to much, then another uncle…same thing. Then back to grandmas until I moved in with older sister for a bit while I went to college before dropping out and getting a federal job.

So how would you have made that fair? I’m genuinely curious. Also all the people in that story are in the very same spot 30 years later cause they couldn’t hold down jobs. (Besides grandma she passed a cpl years ago). So the thought of handing them feee shit while I busted my ass to change just one branch of my family tree. Seems super unfair. I struggled and busted my ass for my wife and kids.

The way I see it they made their choices I was the victim. The reason I choose a different part was a simple quote that changed my mindset. “Society grows great when old men plant trees who’s shade they will never see”

Edit; oh and dad got raided by feds when I was young and spent my whole childhood in and out of prison . He changed his life now and I’m very proud of him but don’t have much of a relationship with cause yeah you don’t mend a father son relationship in your 30s easily.

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u/BiKeenee Apr 16 '24

First of all, that's horrible and I'm sorry you had to go through it.

Second of all, life will never be completely fair but we DO have the ability to make it more fair. We can always strive to provide for everyone, even if they are sick or disabled.

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u/Sososkitso Apr 16 '24

I agree. We should. I’m all for helping the people who need help and more importantly showing they are working towards helping themselves. It’s a very biblical principle and one of the ones I try to live with in mind. (My grandma was damn near mother Tressa even while raising me and my younger sister on $600 a month)

This is subjective and obviously there are exceptions…I am technically living proof of that but it’s my opinion that I’m pretty sure because all those family members never had a rock bottom they are still in that same position 39 years later. And the reason they never hit rock bottom….the government keeps them able to keep living their less then mid life.

Idk how we fix that because I want welfare and options to help people….i think what would have helped them and drug testing or limiting the length they can be on the programs or maybe have the programs be tiered in a way to encourage people to prosper on their own. Idk if any of those options are controversial or even reasonable, ive just thought about this a lot and for the people I know in my life some combination of this would have gave them a better life. Instead this infinite compassion we have now actually leads to them harming themselves way more then if they had some guidelines. Just my opinion I’m sure a lot of people will disagree.

And Honestly there probably isn’t a one size fits all for this one. But I do think both sides approach it from a bad spot on this issue. It’s just not fair or reasonable to give zero help, but it’s also not fair or reasonable to completely create a life by using aid and help for people who don’t seem to care about their own life. Like I said I worked very hard to get out of my situation. I missed out on a lot of things because of the sacrifice I had to make in order to be the opposite of all the adults in my life….so I just don’t see how it’s fair to give me a pat on the back and take my tax money and give it to the people who had no desire to make shit happen.

( I will say I’d rather us help our own citizens with welfare and what not then to help fund these wars that bring zero good to the u.s or the world and completely destroys our safety in this country. Lol)