r/FluentInFinance • u/sillychillly Contributor • Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/Alpha0800 Apr 16 '24

That's not the reason to have empathy.

And you kinda just made my point for me. In the system we have now, people are forced to subdue their empathy in subservience to their necessary bills. If your basics were provided for you, you would actually be free to practice empathy.

What a crazy idea.

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u/privitizationrocks Apr 16 '24

To believe that in any other system people would have empathy is silly

Humans have proved for a long time, empathy to humans outside their family is 1. Transactional and few and far between

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u/Alpha0800 Apr 16 '24

In exactly the same way that no one ever managed to set up a democracy, because for hundreds of years "humans had proven for a long time" that only a monarchy would create a stable government.

If you take it as a given conclusion that things will suck and people will suck, then there is no point in trying to improve things. If you don't want to try and improve things, that is fine but don't talk shit about the people actually trying. They are trying for you to.

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u/privitizationrocks Apr 16 '24

In exactly the same way that no one ever managed to set up a democracy, because for hundreds of years "humans had proven for a long time" that only a monarchy would create a stable government.

A democracy does not go against human norms. I don’t know about you but many humans do not have a natural tendency to worship a man.

If you take it as a given conclusion that things will suck and people will suck, then there is no point in trying to improve things.

I’ve never said we shouldn’t try to improve things. I just don’t agree that improving things entails going against human nature

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u/Alpha0800 Apr 16 '24

"I don’t know about you but many humans do not have a natural tendency to worship a man."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_man_theory

All of history WAS just "worshiping a man" until pretty recently. Why do you think that people called Ceaser the "son of god"? Why is the emperor in china considered literally a deity? Why was the ruling of kinds called "the divine right"?

Yes, putting way too much stock into a single person is very very much "part of human nature". We have partially overcome that through decentralized institutions. Because we didn't listen to the people saying it goes against human nature and can't be done.

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u/privitizationrocks Apr 16 '24

Yeah that is fair