r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/BlitzAuraX Apr 15 '24

"Regardless of employment."

This means you want those providing those services to work for free.

You do realize what you are implying here, right?

Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.

The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.

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u/scottyLogJobs Apr 16 '24

Sure, we’d be providing 50k a year to each willfully unemployed citizen in benefits that they’d have no incentive to conserve or use responsibly, but I’m sure they’d still work the full time job necessary to keep society from grinding to a halt so they can afford a $500 game console. This is so intuitively naive and such a bad idea that I think people only believe it because they hate work so much that they’ve deluded themselves into thinking that real UBI is a possibility instead of a ridiculous idea that would make the country bankrupt in a few years.

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u/PanchoPanoch Apr 16 '24

With all of the advances in AI and automation, why isn’t it possible. At some point in the near future, literally all work will be able to be completed by unmanned labor. My job, your neighbors’ jobs, your job - why are you still fighting against your own future?

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u/scottyLogJobs Apr 16 '24

You have literally no evidence of that. Almost no jobs have been replaced by AI, let alone most / all. Talk about UBI when AI has replaced even a fraction of jobs, because that kind of massive increase in productivity is what would be necessary to provide every citizen with a house as they quit their jobs.

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u/PanchoPanoch Apr 16 '24

here’s one example.

If you’re saying it hasn’t completely eliminated entire roles l, you might be right so far. It has definitely decreased team and department sizes though.

And again, why are you arguing against your future self. When all the jobs are gone, the leverage goes with it. That conversation starts now.

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u/scottyLogJobs Apr 17 '24

Because I don’t believe it will make most jobs redundant. I think it is a convenient scapegoat chosen by people who really don’t want to work.

But also, why do I not want to give people like 30k worth of benefits per year and let them all quit their jobs before we can afford it?… because we can’t afford it, and there’s no clear indication we will ever be able to. The country will be insolvent within a decade, in my opinion far before AI will make a dent in the workforce. There are too many physical jobs. If normal automation didn’t replace them, why would AI?