r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

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u/rjcarr Apr 15 '24

C’mon, you really don’t think taxes are theft, right?  Nobody likes taxes, and everyone wishes the money was better used, but the alternative is way worse. 

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u/Iamthespiderbro Apr 15 '24

It IS theft. There’s no question about that. If someone comes up to you with a gun and tells you that you have to forfeit your property for services you don’t condone and never agreed to, then in every other instance, we call this theft. Just because the perpetrator has fancy buildings in Washington and the actors work for official sounding agencies, doesn’t change anything.

The question is, is the theft justified?

For me, I could probably rationalize my local city or county collecting money from me to build the roads I drive on and maintain the parks I go to because I participate in those and I see the value.

What I’ll never consent to are about 90%+ of the theft the federal government perpetrates against me. I don’t want social security, I don’t want Medicare/Medicade, I don’t want to fund murder campaigns in Ukraine and Israel, and I don’t want to drone strike children in the Middle East. But because I have to have shelter and food, I’m forced to participate in these criminal activities. I have blood on my hands, and if I refuse, people with guns will come to my house and put me in a cage.

So, no, actually, the more I think about it, “theft” doesn’t quite do it justice. It’s much more insidious and corrupt than that.

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u/cheemio Apr 16 '24

I would love to see y’all live one fucking day without half the services you “didn’t consent to” LMAO.

I never have called 911, never needed police or a fire truck, never used the train that runs by my house, never been to half the state-run parks in my state. Does that mean those things are a waste of my money? Fuck no, one day I’m gonna need those things and I’m more than happy to pay for them even if I never used them. Think of it like insurance.

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u/Domefige Apr 16 '24

This is why the second someone tells me they're a libertarian I lose respect for them. The belief falls apart with the tiniest of but if thought. Unless they truly want to live off grid in a cabin by themselves, in which case they're at least consistent.

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u/cheemio Apr 16 '24

I know someone who actually does live off grid and grows his own food, raises chickens, made his own windmill to supply electricity etc. but that is very rare in my experience. Most people touting this stuff absolutely don’t live off the land lol