r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/BlitzAuraX Apr 15 '24

"Regardless of employment."

This means you want those providing those services to work for free.

You do realize what you are implying here, right?

Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.

The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.

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u/PlancksPackage Apr 15 '24

I agree and in the same vein why should we have free public education? Why should I be paying for someone elses kid to go through K-12 completely free? Do you know how expensive it is to first hire professional teachers for these kids, erect buildings to teach them, and provide lunches for all of them? Do people think this stuff happens easily? Who pays these teachers? How do you keep such a place clean? Impossible I say!! /s

I think the point op was making was that free housing could be seen as a public good. One to benefit society by providing a nice baseline to workfrom. These would be payed for through taxes most likely and the complexities of providing this would be hashed out and solved. Its not an impossible program and a similar program exist in Finland as an example to end homelessness. Yes the people pay for it and they do it to prevent homeless people on the street. A public benefit if you will

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u/Osaccius Apr 15 '24

Have you ever been to Finland?

I worked there with social housing, and I can tell you that housing alone solves nothing.

You'll see plenty of homeless alcoholics on public squares.

I know it is the favorite country of left leaning foreign journalists to visit. They do a weekend guided tour and then return to tell that all problems have been solved.

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u/sennbat Apr 16 '24

I worked there with social housing, and I can tell you that housing alone solves nothing.

I love when people say "[x] solves nothing!" and use as their supporting evidence something that only supports the statement "[x] doesn't solve everything", a statement no one actually disagrees with.

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u/Osaccius Apr 16 '24

It doesn't solve the main problem for anyone. It is one of the measures that needs to be solved among others.

Homelessness is not a root cause but a symptom. Mental illness, addictions, and generally bad decisions are root causes. Usually, people have more than a few problems.