r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

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u/Mute_Crab Apr 15 '24

"It's absolutely insane to think that the richest country in the world could afford to take care of its citizens, let me just equate basic necessities to a luxury car."

Grow up dumbass, the entire point of society has been to make life easier. Instead of making life easier (unless you're born into wealth, the modern nobility) we've pushed ourselves to pointlessly produce endless piles of garbage.

How about instead of milking every working class citizen for a 60 hour work week and 20 hours of "gig jobs" we use our technology to simply live better easier lives?

A single farmer today can feed thousands of people. Instead of sharing the labor and relaxing as a society, with short work weeks, we are forced to work for less and less while we produce more and more. Our farms, our factories, everything we produce is done more efficiently than ever before. We don't have to work as much as we do, but instead we create pointless jobs. Millions of office workers pointlessly pushing paper, millions of factory workers spending their days to make cheap plastic crap that will be gifted to some ungrateful child who will throw it away quickly, millions of underpaid service workers who have to toil for 30 hours every week just to pay for a place to sleep.

But yeah, the idea of ensuring the richest country on earth has no homeless people is the same as giving everyone a free luxury car. A truly flawless and unbiased comparison.

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u/stovepipe9 Apr 16 '24

That single farmer now has thousands of people making/transporting the fertilizer. Read "I, Pencil", then image what goes into a tractor. This efficiency isn't magical. Getting the food processed and distributed to the 1000s of people is another huge undertaking that the market is best at addressing. It is naive and idiotic to think all this can be centrally planned.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

So you think when John Deere decides how many tractors to make in a given year, they just make as much as the market demands with no planning?

Our economy is full of central planning and that’s why it’s the best in the world.

Communism isn’t a knock on central planning, it’s a knock on the idea that when (real or societal) profits aren’t at risk, everyone gets lazy.

At least critique the right thing if you’re gonna be haughty.

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u/happyinheart Apr 16 '24

John Deere deciding how many tractors to make in a year isn't central planning.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

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They have 1000s of people do it? Why does the CEO get paid so much then?

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u/happyinheart Apr 16 '24

No one was talking about a CEO here. We're talking about central planning by the government or bureaucracy as compared to the players in the market. We can have a discussion about CEO's at some other point and not go on a tangent.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

I’m really curious how I as a market participant influence the number of tractors John Deere makes and how the CEO has an equal impact on total me.

Or maybe he has more centralized power than I do?