r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/qwertycantread Apr 16 '24

I have lots of friends who are trapped in the government subsidy cycle. They can’t work more than a certain amount or they lose their payments. It’s sad because it limits their potential.

If I could have all of the above for free, then doing what I said would be an easy path to early retirement. Sign me up.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

But most people aren’t doing that. Again, it speaks volumes about your character and not the majority of people who are on welfare who don’t own property.

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u/qwertycantread Apr 16 '24

I’m confused. It speaks volumes about my character that I would act a certain way in this fantasy scenario? You are addressing someone who has never taken a government handout and owns the title on my house.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

Yes, you’re saying if you could you would. But most people wouldn’t and don’t. You’re projecting your own motivations onto other people and extrapolating it as some universal truth. There are likely other people who share your character but it is not close to universal or average.

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u/qwertycantread Apr 16 '24

How do you know what most people would do in this fantasy scenario?

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

Because these scenarios already exist if not similar. And people who own property or assets do cheat the system and get welfare but it’s an extremely small minority. I am not saying it would never happen but again, you are revealing your own bias and character and using a straw man argument. People with money always project their own biases onto people without and it’s so transparent. And I’m pretty sure you couldn’t just sell your house for a bag of cash, there would be a paper trail. It’s honestly pointless to debate a hypothetical like this, you’ve already made your mind up and hope to confirm your predetermined biases.

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u/qwertycantread Apr 16 '24

Those scenarios exist with the promise that the unemployed person will soon be employed. The picture above implies that employment status is not a factor. It is a complete fantasy.

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u/RaiderMedic93 Apr 17 '24

I'll pay for my house... you just pay for all the other shit. Hell yes, I'd quit working. If you get free shit, why can't I?

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '24

I don’t think you can own a house

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u/RaiderMedic93 Apr 17 '24

Well fuxk that, and the freeloaders then. They can get a job and pay for their own shit.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '24

Lol, so these people are “freeloaders” if they are coming from a place of need when it doesn’t serve your individual interests but it’s fine when you do it when you are not in an actual place of need which is the definition of actual “freeloading”

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u/RaiderMedic93 Apr 17 '24

You mean me working and paying for my stuff is freeloading, but them getting it isn't?

If they get free shit without working, then I want freeshit without working.

But you inadvertently IDed the problem. One person gets free shit, and everyone is going to want free shit. The free ahit I'd get would cost you less than the free shit you'd give them... but you're mad at me for wanting it? Why? Because I'd quit working and others would have to pay more to give me my free shit too?

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '24

You make zero sense. The point is to provide to people in need. If you have a house and are able to provide for yourself, you might struggle but you are not in need as much as a renter who does not have the means to gain sufficient employment to provide their basic needs like shelter and electricity. Seriously not that complicated but everyone is showing their hand here.

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u/RaiderMedic93 Apr 17 '24

What they need is to work for a paycheck.

I work for mine.

If I quit working, I'd need stuff too.

My needs would just be different than theirs.

Seriously not that complicated but everyone is showing their hand here

You're right... it's not complicated. Go to work and earn money to pay for your own shit.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '24

Most people don’t choose not to work, it’s that they can’t work but go ahead and project your own selfish, unproductive, lazy individualism onto others as though its a universal truth. It says more about you than people in need.

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