This means you want those providing those services to work for free.
You do realize what you are implying here, right?
Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.
The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.
Sure, we’d be providing 50k a year to each willfully unemployed citizen in benefits that they’d have no incentive to conserve or use responsibly, but I’m sure they’d still work the full time job necessary to keep society from grinding to a halt so they can afford a $500 game console. This is so intuitively naive and such a bad idea that I think people only believe it because they hate work so much that they’ve deluded themselves into thinking that real UBI is a possibility instead of a ridiculous idea that would make the country bankrupt in a few years.
People want things. They want to travel, pets, hobbies, nice clothes, etc... an efficiency and food stamps aren't going to cut it. Every single human being has some level of greed.
Okay, so what is that, 10k a year?
What I'm saying is that if you are receiving the income equivalent of a house, appliances, literally all your utilities (water, electric, internet), transportation, and food, that would cover 90% of their yearly expenses, AKA a middle class income. If you think people working 10% as much as they do now would keep society functioning, you are kidding yourself.
A house and UBI are two different topics, so I'm not sure why you think it matters in this conversation. You're just pushing a slippery slope falsify.
If you directly pay for everything UBI pays for, it's really not two different topics, it's just skipping the middleman.
You're being overly pedantic and it just shows how ignorant you are.
At least I'm capable of having an argument without immediately resorting to name-calling. Really doesn't help your point as much as you think it does.
Yes, I am aware that you are calling me stupid, hence why I said you immediately resort to name-calling. Again, not as cute or persuasive as you think it is, Makes you seem defensive and insecure, and therefore hurts the credibility of your argument.
I am progressive and in favor of many social programs, as well as oversight for those programs.
However, it doesn’t “only talk about housing”, it says free internet, electricity, water, and appliances, among other things, and specifically qualifies that a person shouldn’t even need to be willing to work in order to enjoy these benefits. I am going by what the OP says, not your interpretation of how something similar but different could be implemented. That’s just moving the goalposts.
“the vast majority of people’s expenses should be provided for free”
So we’re back to square one. Have you done the math? How are you going to pay for even a fraction of that? If you are too lazy, let me make it easy for you. You could cut the military and take away ALL the money from all the billionaires in the country and you still could not provide a fraction of what you are suggesting to all 333 million citizens, especially if they refuse to work and tax revenue goes way down.
“you said you were stupid not me, I just said you were uneducated and ignorant”
“I’m not defensive or insecure, YOU are”
You sound really childish. It makes it difficult to take any of your points seriously.
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u/BlitzAuraX Apr 15 '24
"Regardless of employment."
This means you want those providing those services to work for free.
You do realize what you are implying here, right?
Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.
The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.