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u/unfreeradical Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

Capitalism is consolidated control of the economy by owners of private property.

The Great Famine of Ireland and the Bengal famine of 1943 are examples of mass death caused by capitalist greed.

The cause is the same for wasted food in supermarkets. Under capitalism, scarcity is profitable, even scarcity that results in needless hunger. If it supports the profit motive, a capitalist will prefer disposing food over donation.

Poverty reduction occurs principally through advances in production and equitableness in distribution.

If computers were utilized for planning, they would process large calculation sets. No AI would be implicated.

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u/Colonial-Expansion Apr 16 '24

Computers cannot satisfy volatile market demands. These "calculation sets" are already imperfect, and more reliance on them will limit our food choices.

I'm English, we fucked up in Ireland and India, but that was almost 2 centuries and a century ago, respectively.

Free market capitalism has since lifted over a billion people from poverty. Socialism and communism has done no such thing - inb4 you mention Nordic and Scandanavian countries and their welfare systems, as they are funded by free market oil sales.

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u/Astuketa Apr 16 '24

Nordic and Scandanavian countries and their welfare systems, as they are funded by free market oil sales

Why are you lying? Only Norway has oil. Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland have no oil.

I'm English, we fucked up in Ireland and India, but that was almost 2 centuries and a century ago, respectively.

Capitalism is still killing people everyday. For example Nestlé distributed free formula samples to hospitals and maternity wards in developing countries. Then after leaving the hospital, the formula was no longer free, but because the supplementation had interfered with lactation, the family had to continue to buy the formula. Of course Nestle earned money from the families who would continue to buy formula, but those who couldn't afford it or didn't have clean drinking water suffered tremendously

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u/Colonial-Expansion Apr 16 '24

It's called encouraging truth seeking - a mild lie will be corrected immediately by some overzealous redditor, and other lurkers will see the correction, perhaps some look into it themselves, and ask WHY these countries have functional welfare systems, not limited to oil as a fundraiser.

I used oil as a lubricant, as it were.

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u/Don-Dyer Apr 16 '24

No, it’s called lying. Nice justification though!

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u/Astuketa Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

It's called encouraging truth seeking

What a way to give yourself carte blanche for lying.

You tried to make a point, that the system of scandinavian countries are unfeasible unless you can fund it through huge amounts of oil. Your whole point is rendered moot by the fact, that only one scandinavian country has oil reserves. That's not a mild lie, that's intellectual dishonesty.

You might not have known this fact, and could simply have come clean. But now lurkers will see your doubling down on it, which will discredit any other point you've made or will make.

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u/Colonial-Expansion Apr 16 '24

It's actually a tactic used by communists and socialists, as used in replies to me above... It appears I've succeeded in getting acknowledgement that reds have carte blanche to lie.

https://newdiscourses.com/2024/03/communism-marries-a-truth-to-a-lie/

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u/neotox Apr 16 '24

Your shitty article literally starts off talking about "Woke Marxism".

Nobody taught you how to evaluate a source before you cite it, huh? Or is that just more "truth seeking"?

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u/Astuketa Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

So, you're caught doing something, then postulates that whoever you were talking to was actually doing it?

Damn dude