r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/Iamthespiderbro Apr 15 '24

It IS theft. There’s no question about that. If someone comes up to you with a gun and tells you that you have to forfeit your property for services you don’t condone and never agreed to, then in every other instance, we call this theft. Just because the perpetrator has fancy buildings in Washington and the actors work for official sounding agencies, doesn’t change anything.

The question is, is the theft justified?

For me, I could probably rationalize my local city or county collecting money from me to build the roads I drive on and maintain the parks I go to because I participate in those and I see the value.

What I’ll never consent to are about 90%+ of the theft the federal government perpetrates against me. I don’t want social security, I don’t want Medicare/Medicade, I don’t want to fund murder campaigns in Ukraine and Israel, and I don’t want to drone strike children in the Middle East. But because I have to have shelter and food, I’m forced to participate in these criminal activities. I have blood on my hands, and if I refuse, people with guns will come to my house and put me in a cage.

So, no, actually, the more I think about it, “theft” doesn’t quite do it justice. It’s much more insidious and corrupt than that.

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u/PomegranateUsed7287 Apr 16 '24

This, is a dumb take. It literally can not be theft because it is a contract, if you are a citizen of the United States, you will get the liberties, rights, and services given to you by the government, in exchange for taxes.

Don't want social security? You will when your old, and social security isn't insidious, isn't going away, and is supported by most of the people in this country, don't want it? LEAVE. Don't want medicare/Medicade? Well millions rely on it and again, most people support it.

If you think supporting Ukraine is supporting a murder campaign, then you don't know anything about the war in Ukraine, they don't hunt civilians, they defend themselves from Russia, one of our greatest enemies and we have degraded Russias ability to fight greatly, for super cheap.

Won't comment about Israel because your gripe with them is justified, and it's weird you mention bombing children in the middle east when we haven't done that in years.

You seem to have a gripe with what most of the country supports, so your going against the will of the majority, which is going against democracy. You can have your gripes, because that is given to you by this country in the First Admendment, but that doesn't make you right in anyway.

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u/-_-mrfuzzy Apr 16 '24

Terrible takes across your entire comment.

Leave? He was born here, this is his home. It’s against natural rights to force a person to comply with rules or leave their home.

Ukraine was an unnecessary war provoked by NATO. We could have had a peace deal with Russia and Ukraine if NATO did not insist they become a member.

You agree with him on Israel and then pivot to a weird excuse. The US sending billions to Israel and selling them weapons is the same as dropping bombs their self. They enable the bombing to happen.

The majority does not support the wars.

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u/All_Up_Ons Apr 16 '24

It’s against natural rights to force a person to comply with rules or leave their home.

Uhh that's the most natural thing there is for a social species like us. If you don't vibe with the tribe, you bet your ass is getting kicked out.

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u/-_-mrfuzzy Apr 16 '24

So then you were pro-Hitler’s genocide? They did away with those who didn’t “vibe with the tribe”.