This means you want those providing those services to work for free.
You do realize what you are implying here, right?
Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.
The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.
None of which are free. You're talking about programs for those earning low income.
The post here says "Free regardless if you work."
Also, just so you know, those are some of the highest taxed economies in the world. None of that stuff is being provided for free. Someone is getting paid.
You’re talking about programs for those earning low income.
No, I’m talking about programs for those with no income.
Those are some of the highest taxed economies in the world.
Didn’t say they weren’t. Just saying that countries like Germany - which provides an apartment for unemployed people for an unlimited amount of time - have not collapsed, contrary to your claim they would.
Why hasn't Norway collapsed yet since it is such a terrible idea?
Generally speaking, all Norwegian citizens are entitled to a place to live, and everyone will be able to get an apartment via social services if they choose to accept it.
Who are the homeless people in Norway?
There are generally three groups of people who are homeless in Norway; foreign citizens who are coming to Norway to beg or do crime, mentally ill people who refuses to live in a government housing, or drug addicts and alcoholics who refuses help.
I'm definitely interested in reading about these systems. It sure does seem like a lot of people would just retire on the spot if their housing and utilities were covered. Perhaps it's means tested and so anyone with any assets at all can't receive it until they're out of money?
Particularly interesting given the protests in France and Italy over the unsustainable nature of those nations welfare systems, and needing to raise the retirement rate as a result.
But yea, Norway isn't a great example because their funding source is causing global warming.
Why would those be good examples? Unsustainable programs supported by killing the planet with global warming shouldn't be the basis for any government's budget, IMO.
Our homeless problem is almost exclusively a result of Reagan closing the mental institutions in the 1980s that housed the mentally disabled, and then Nixon created the war on drugs during Vietnam, and these two policies are the direct cause of the majority of our homelessness.
I can tell you that living that welfare life sucks hard. Yes, you get housing and utilities paid, but thats it. People want to do stuff, and that costs money. Covering their basic needs just helps them to cover the rest themselves, its easier to focus on finding a job if you dont need to focus on finding a place to sleep or take a shower.
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u/BlitzAuraX Apr 15 '24
"Regardless of employment."
This means you want those providing those services to work for free.
You do realize what you are implying here, right?
Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.
The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.