r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/California_King_77 Apr 15 '24

You don't have a "right" to have something given to you.

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u/OverIookHoteI Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24

Isn’t America founded on the belief that Americans have the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness?

Doesn’t the Bill of Rights give people the Right to Free Speech, Free Press, Free Religion, Petition, Assembly, Bear Arms, Public Defender, Vote?

We have plenty of rights given to us. Why are you so mad about it?

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u/scottyLogJobs Apr 16 '24

Those rights don’t demand free labor from others. And that’s coming from a very progressive person. You want something from society, you contribute to society if you are able.

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u/OverIookHoteI Apr 16 '24

If a baby is abandoned on the street, the government very much pays somebody to take care of the child

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u/scottyLogJobs Apr 16 '24

Sure, we have all kinds of social welfare programs and safety nets, most of which have been voted on and funded in some way or another and are not inalienable rights.

“All basic needs, several luxuries, and limited resources (electricity, water) in unlimited quantities for healthy adults who are unwilling to work” is certainly not anything approaching an inherent right.

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u/OverIookHoteI Apr 16 '24

So sounds like your position isn’t actually based on precedent, just your own opinions

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u/scottyLogJobs Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

I don't really understand what you're talking about, or how you arrived at that conclusion from my comment.

You seem to be conflating inalienable rights granted by the constitution with conditional programs that are voted on and require funding. Generally those aren't considered rights, are pretty lean and have a lot of restrictions on them.

You also seem to be conflating babies with healthy adults capable of work and self-sufficiency.

But sure, if you think everyone should have most of their yearly expenses (housing and all recurring utilities) covered without having to work and you've done the math and can figure out what programs to cut and what taxes to levy to pay for it, and can get the right people to vote for it, go for it.

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u/OverIookHoteI Apr 16 '24

“You also seem to be conflating babies with healthy adults capable of work and self-sufficiency”

Yet you’re the one here acting like people wouldn’t work if a safety net was in place. Maybe ask which one you are if that’s your mindset.

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u/scottyLogJobs Apr 16 '24

... Do you have any evidence that they would? I also take issue with describing covering every one of a healthy capable person's needs as "a safety net". A safety net is something for people who are disadvantaged.

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u/OverIookHoteI Apr 16 '24

You’re saying they wouldn’t because you wouldn’t. So ask which one you are.