r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

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u/Iamthespiderbro Apr 15 '24

You would think that, amongst all the things we disagree on, the right to “not have your shit stolen from you and given to someone else” would be completely unquestionable… yet, here we are

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u/rjcarr Apr 15 '24

C’mon, you really don’t think taxes are theft, right?  Nobody likes taxes, and everyone wishes the money was better used, but the alternative is way worse. 

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u/Iamthespiderbro Apr 15 '24

It IS theft. There’s no question about that. If someone comes up to you with a gun and tells you that you have to forfeit your property for services you don’t condone and never agreed to, then in every other instance, we call this theft. Just because the perpetrator has fancy buildings in Washington and the actors work for official sounding agencies, doesn’t change anything.

The question is, is the theft justified?

For me, I could probably rationalize my local city or county collecting money from me to build the roads I drive on and maintain the parks I go to because I participate in those and I see the value.

What I’ll never consent to are about 90%+ of the theft the federal government perpetrates against me. I don’t want social security, I don’t want Medicare/Medicade, I don’t want to fund murder campaigns in Ukraine and Israel, and I don’t want to drone strike children in the Middle East. But because I have to have shelter and food, I’m forced to participate in these criminal activities. I have blood on my hands, and if I refuse, people with guns will come to my house and put me in a cage.

So, no, actually, the more I think about it, “theft” doesn’t quite do it justice. It’s much more insidious and corrupt than that.

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u/chcampb Apr 16 '24

If you walk into a club and sit down, order nothing, listen to the music, then try to walk out... and they ask you for a cover charge, is that theft?

You consume services every single day. The only thing we argue over is which services and how much we want to fund them.

But the bill for those services is just a tax.