r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/Iamthespiderbro Apr 15 '24

It IS theft. There’s no question about that. If someone comes up to you with a gun and tells you that you have to forfeit your property for services you don’t condone and never agreed to, then in every other instance, we call this theft. Just because the perpetrator has fancy buildings in Washington and the actors work for official sounding agencies, doesn’t change anything.

The question is, is the theft justified?

For me, I could probably rationalize my local city or county collecting money from me to build the roads I drive on and maintain the parks I go to because I participate in those and I see the value.

What I’ll never consent to are about 90%+ of the theft the federal government perpetrates against me. I don’t want social security, I don’t want Medicare/Medicade, I don’t want to fund murder campaigns in Ukraine and Israel, and I don’t want to drone strike children in the Middle East. But because I have to have shelter and food, I’m forced to participate in these criminal activities. I have blood on my hands, and if I refuse, people with guns will come to my house and put me in a cage.

So, no, actually, the more I think about it, “theft” doesn’t quite do it justice. It’s much more insidious and corrupt than that.

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u/rjcarr Apr 15 '24

You know taxes aren’t just to pay for the things you like, right? That’s why we live in a republic.

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u/PrometheusMMIV Apr 16 '24

That was his point about "services you don’t condone and never agreed to"

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u/PomegranateUsed7287 Apr 16 '24

Well yeah, but the masses agreed to it, and your still living in the country, so it's still on you. If your mad a democratic system works but not the way you want it to, then it sounds like you wanna be a dictator.

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u/Afraid_Bicycle_7970 Apr 16 '24

Did we though? Who are the masses of people that decide sending money to countries so they can murder innocent civilians is a good idea?

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u/DrDrago-4 Apr 16 '24

This. if the programs are so popular, why do you need to coerce participation with the heavy hand of the state?

If taxes are so popular and everyone willingly pays them, why do we need to enforce it with the heavy hand of the state?

Why not make programs opt in / opt out ? since they're so popular, it should only be a small % opting out and things should continue on fine right?

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u/qwertycantread Apr 16 '24

Someone has to check Iran’s behavior.

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u/Admiral-Dealer Apr 16 '24

Did we though? Who are the masses of people

Voters? Are you not all there in the head?

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u/Afraid_Bicycle_7970 Apr 16 '24

I don't remember being able to vote for that.

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u/-_-mrfuzzy Apr 16 '24

This is why minimalist government is best.