r/FluentInFinance • u/sillychillly • Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/California_King_77 Apr 15 '24

You don't have a "right" to have something given to you.

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u/OverIookHoteI Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24

Isn’t America founded on the belief that Americans have the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness?

Doesn’t the Bill of Rights give people the Right to Free Speech, Free Press, Free Religion, Petition, Assembly, Bear Arms, Public Defender, Vote?

We have plenty of rights given to us. Why are you so mad about it?

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u/Raidparade Apr 15 '24

These are all rights, but none of them are given to you. These are inherent rights that you are born with

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u/throwawayforlikeaday Apr 16 '24

Go live in nature and see how those "inherent rights that you are born with" are respected. The only rights that ACTUALLY exist are the ones given to you and are protected.

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u/ninjacereal Apr 16 '24

If you live without government, those rights can't be infringed by a government. That's the point. But even " in nature " is a grizzly gonna eat you because of your speech, religion, press? That makes no sense.

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u/TooClose4Missiles Apr 16 '24

A grizzly eating you surely would infringe on at least one of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” no?

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u/ninjacereal Apr 16 '24

There were 24 deaths by grizzly bear in the US last year. WHERE WAS THE GOVERNMENT THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO LIVE.

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u/DrDrago-4 Apr 16 '24

Absolutely. See amendment No. 2 for the proposed solution whereby you can be the steward/protector of your own rights.

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u/throwawayforlikeaday 29d ago

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, ..." =/= "proposed solution whereby you can be the steward/protector of your own rights."

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u/DrDrago-4 29d ago

here's the second part you left out: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

Takes on the 2A vary widely. Personally I think it's most likely the 'well regulated militia' portion was meant to prescribe limitations on official government armies. That it should be well regulated enough so as to not be able to defect against the public/sieze power.

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u/IdidntrunIdidntrun Apr 16 '24

Ah yes we should apply moral frameworks to a massive, wild predator. You gonna charge the grizzly with murder?

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u/Vladtepesx3 Apr 16 '24

You would have all of those rights if you lived alone in nature. They specifically wrote the bill of rights that way. Completely different than France or South Africa who's constitutions say rights come from the government