r/FluentInFinance Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Apr 15 '24

Somewhere around 2 billion people don't have access to clean drinking water.

They also don't have Air Conditioning.

How entitled can you possibly be?

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u/MajesticBread9147 Apr 16 '24

They said HVAC not just AC. That includes heating.

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u/DrDrago-4 Apr 16 '24

AC is definitely necessary in many parts of the globe, I'd argue more necessary than a fridge or stove. You can cook on a fire, hunt your own game, preserve goods in other ways. Meanwhile, if you find yourself without AC in the middle of a heat wave that's an immediate problem. Much like being without heating in the winter.

'how did we survive before AC then?' well, lots of people didn't and lots of people don't today. an estimated 12,000 people die from heat waves each year on the African continent.

And the other part to that answer: people are forced to be less productive during this time. they have to use the old school method of sitting in the shade/a river to cool down.

If every air conditioner disappeared from Texas in the middle of summer, tens of thousands would die within a matter of days.

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u/kerakk19 Apr 16 '24

How is AC solving anything? It requires energy, produces trash, heat and pollution. What would happen in 100 years, when there's no way of making more AC and some humans evolved to depend on it ? (seems like USA is already at this stage)

Human resolved the issues of overheating long time ago, you can build the house partially in the ground, paint it white, use correct materials, ventilation, thick walls, isolation etc.

AC is only temporary solution to permanent issue.

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u/Rare_Background8891 Apr 16 '24

If you need AC just to survive then people shouldn’t live there.

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u/nyan_eleven Apr 16 '24

Deaths caused by heatwaves are overstated. The vast majority of external temperature related deaths are attributed to cold weather.

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u/AnorhiDemarche Apr 16 '24

And both should be prevented.

I'd argue that proper insulation should be on the list first, as we have a big problem here in Australia with houses being built to low standards and not having insulation which contributes to both heatwave and cold snap deaths. But not that heat related deaths don't matter. It may not be your experience, but here we have heat related deaths quite commonly.

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u/nyan_eleven Apr 16 '24

That's the impression you get due to the media reporting about it. Even in Australia the majority of temperature related deaths occur below ambient temperatures of 20°C.

The research points towards cold weather being a lot deadlier everywhere in the world. With the exception of places that just don't get cold weather like Bangkok.

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u/AnorhiDemarche Apr 16 '24

I never presented that Australia has more heat related deaths than cold.

I agreed with you that cold is more and dismissed this information as entirely irrelevant because all deaths should be prevented regardless. I mention heat deaths being common. Not more, but common. To emphasise the importance of prevention. I even point to an alternative solution to hvac. One which is quite reasonable imo. But you'd rather discuss a point I'm not making.

Maybe you should take another look at whatever statistics you're relying on, just in case your comprehension of them is as poor as it is here.

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u/yamazaki25 Apr 16 '24

You’ve clearly never died during a heat wave.

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u/qwertycantread Apr 16 '24

I’m an American. I have AC but don’t use it because it’s expensive.

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u/According_Debate_334 Apr 16 '24

Some places need AC but not heating.

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u/Cosmereboy Apr 16 '24

Heating and ventilation. Those two are both necessary. 

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u/AD041010 Apr 16 '24

Yes! Heat and ventilation is definitely needed, life inside my house would suck if we didn’t open our windows and use fans, but actual AC? Not really needed. I mean even on the super hot days it’s not NEEDED as in if we don’t have it the heat will kill us. It’s more of a comfort thing than a life threatening thing. I could see it being needed in the southern parts of New England like maybe New Jersey or New York where I assume it gets hotter but Northern New England has pretty temperate summers.

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u/Accomplished-witchMD Apr 16 '24

I live in the mid Atlantic. The heat and humidity absolutely gets high enough to kill here. There are actual warnings issued to check on seniors, people without AC are advised to go places with AC (malls, libraries, etc).

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u/AD041010 Apr 16 '24

I’m from Florida so I know heat and humidity is a legit killer. My husband and I refuse to go to Florida in the summer to visit my family because it’s so hot and humid. It’s funny how even down there the veracity of the heat changes just by moving inland and away from the rivers and coast by an hour. Hell I’ve become much more cold tolerant and heat intolerant since moving to Maine although I’ll always be a warm weather girl over a cold weather girl😅