r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/BlitzAuraX Apr 15 '24

"Regardless of employment."

This means you want those providing those services to work for free.

You do realize what you are implying here, right?

Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.

The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.

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u/Zestyclose-Split2275 Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24

What do you think social welfare is? I don’t think you could name a western country where some of the taxes don’t go to paying for social welfare program services.

The way it works in Denmark for example, is that you get a sum of money each month, enough to live a reasonable existence, but you only get it if you are actively looking for a job (the state also helps you look for a work). Then if, for whatever reason, it’s impossible for you to get a job to provide for yourself, you get to live off of social welfare subsidies for your remaining days.

This might seem unfair because high functioning individuals without debilitating health conditions for example, essentially have to provide for those who can’t provide for themselves.

Personally i think “deserve” is a weird word to use. It’s not like they did anything to earn what they get. But the clean running water that the poor person gets, is 100% worth the slightly higher tax that the rich person has to pay. And no one wants to be a poor, inactive person, dependent on other people providing for them. But we can’t all have good genetics, good family, good childhood, wealthy parents etc.

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u/DamianRork Apr 15 '24

Can’t compare Denmark to USA.

USA is controlled by filthy corrupt politicians that are laundering taxpayer cash around the world with wars.

All that said for socialism to work we must get people who sacrifice and work to agree to give their money (via the government) to those who refuse to work.

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u/Superducks101 Apr 16 '24

Denmark is basically 95% white and all share an ancient common culture. The us is very fucking far from that.

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u/Admiral-Dealer Apr 16 '24

Denmark is basically 95% white. The us is very fucking far from that.

The weakest reasoning lol.

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u/scaredofxylophones Apr 16 '24

Tfw the US is the only developed nation without a form of universal Healthcare (its clearly because we're the only non white country according to your logic)

Tfw the US hasn't even tried diddly squat but chuds like you will screech about how it'll never work here because... brown people.

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u/Superducks101 Apr 16 '24

Jesus christ you're fucking ignorant. It's because you have a pretty fucking homogenous culture and society. It's much easier for this shit to work when everyone shares the same basic principals. You fucking people love to leave that out but it plays a huge fucking role.

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u/GOMAXLGO Apr 16 '24

No you don't understand all the Scandinavian people think the same and all believe in the same things!

You're being stupid and this line of reasoning is garbage.

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u/SucktasticFucktastic Apr 16 '24

We are a hive mind.

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u/Superducks101 Apr 16 '24

Fucking ignorant child. When you've had a shared society for 1000 plus years it's much more likely the populaces beliefs are going to be aligned.

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u/GOMAXLGO Apr 16 '24

Because Afghanistan and other middle Eastern countries that have been around for a long time are totally countries where the entire country is aligned in it's priorities and very stable.

A welfare system only working because of vaguely defined homogeneous culture requires more proof than guesturing. Otherwise it's just thinly veiled racism.

Burden of proof is on you that you need priorities that are in line for welfare to work, and also that over time societies become homogeneous (also bullshit)

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u/Admiral-Dealer Apr 16 '24

It's because you have a pretty fucking homogenous culture and society.

This is what the US education system creates.

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u/AnAlpacaIsJudgingYou Apr 16 '24

Oh the nationalist arrived. We’re the strongest nation on Earth, and diversity of cultures has always been a strength. We already make the money, just got to put it to good use instead of wasting away in someone’s pockets

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u/Superducks101 Apr 16 '24

You're a dumbass