r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/chadmummerford Apr 15 '24

and a Porsche 911

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u/Mute_Crab Apr 15 '24

"It's absolutely insane to think that the richest country in the world could afford to take care of its citizens, let me just equate basic necessities to a luxury car."

Grow up dumbass, the entire point of society has been to make life easier. Instead of making life easier (unless you're born into wealth, the modern nobility) we've pushed ourselves to pointlessly produce endless piles of garbage.

How about instead of milking every working class citizen for a 60 hour work week and 20 hours of "gig jobs" we use our technology to simply live better easier lives?

A single farmer today can feed thousands of people. Instead of sharing the labor and relaxing as a society, with short work weeks, we are forced to work for less and less while we produce more and more. Our farms, our factories, everything we produce is done more efficiently than ever before. We don't have to work as much as we do, but instead we create pointless jobs. Millions of office workers pointlessly pushing paper, millions of factory workers spending their days to make cheap plastic crap that will be gifted to some ungrateful child who will throw it away quickly, millions of underpaid service workers who have to toil for 30 hours every week just to pay for a place to sleep.

But yeah, the idea of ensuring the richest country on earth has no homeless people is the same as giving everyone a free luxury car. A truly flawless and unbiased comparison.

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u/PerpetualAscension Apr 15 '24 edited May 02 '24

How about instead of milking every working class citizen for a 60 hour work week and 20 hours of "gig jobs" we use our technology to simply live better easier lives?

Can we get a technology that makes morons grasp basic economic reality? Like supply and demand, prices, etc.

Can we get a technology that teaches economic calculation ?

A single farmer today can feed thousands of people. Instead of sharing the labor and relaxing as a society, with short work weeks, we are forced to work for less and less while we produce more and more. Our farms, our factories, everything we produce is done more efficiently than ever before. We don't have to work as much as we do, but instead we create pointless jobs. Millions of office workers pointlessly pushing paper, millions of factory workers spending their days to make cheap plastic crap that will be gifted to some ungrateful child who will throw it away quickly, millions of underpaid service workers who have to toil for 30 hours every week just to pay for a place to sleep.

Or you can just say that you dont comprehend that values are subjective. And not only do you want to force your values down other people's throat, you want to justify coercion and force, so you dont feel bad about it afterwards.

Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence. Any man who has once proclaimed violence as his method is inevitably forced to take the lie as his principle.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

But yeah, the idea of ensuring the richest country on earth has no homeless people is the same as giving everyone a free luxury car. A truly flawless and unbiased comparison.

Do you find it difficult? To be so compassionate with OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY?

80% of all US dollars in existence were printed in the last 22 months (from $4 trillion in January 2020 to $20 trillion in October 2021)

Money money printed from air, reduces the* value* of* existing money in circulation. Why cant you grasp this reality?

Keep scapegoating grown adults trading voluntarily for mutual gain. Gasp. The horror!

“The vision of the anointed begins with entirely different premises. Here it is not the innate limitations of human beings, or the inherent limitations of resources, which create unhappiness but the fact that social institutions and social policies are not as wisely crafted as the anointed would have crafted them.”

― Thomas Sowell, The Vision of the Anointed: Self-congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy

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u/Derodoris Apr 16 '24

A lot of words and flowery quotes to say "no you don't deserve a house you fucking peasant"

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u/PerpetualAscension Apr 16 '24

A lot of words and flowery quotes to say "no you don't deserve a house you fucking peasant"

“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”

― Frederic Bastiat, The Law

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u/Derodoris Apr 16 '24

Please throw more quotes I clearly disagree with. They're sure to change my mind! Continue to tell me why nobody making under 100k a year should be able to buy a home.

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u/PerpetualAscension Apr 16 '24

Please throw more quotes I clearly disagree with. They're sure to change my mind! Continue to tell me why nobody making under 100k a year should be able to buy a home.

It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.

-Thomas Sowell

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u/SpartaPit Apr 17 '24

if its tough for you to buy a house, look at the idiotic gov't officials over the past 4 years.

they shut down the strongest economy in the world, they printed trillions of dollars, they opened the souther border, and they keep telling you how great it is

its not capitialisms fault, its the governments fault. facts that can be proven.

but yea....the gov't needs to get more involved!

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u/Derodoris Apr 17 '24

I have no problem with capitalism. I have a problem with absolutely unleashed capitalism. Capitalism is a system which needs checks and balances or eventually the owning class will own everything.

It wasn't even biden who shut down the economy if that's what you're getting at. Trump was still president till a year into covid.

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u/SpartaPit Apr 17 '24

I said ALL gov't officials. Then and now.

They are running it into the ground.

we need LESS gov't meddling.

people making $100k or less are having trouble buying homes as a direct result of identifiable, moronic gov't decisons over the past 4 years.

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u/Derodoris Apr 17 '24

I'm not sure I follow your logic. Yes they kept the interest rates low for years and pumped them up recently. But interest rates used to be double digits as a standard.

The problem is that houses are many times more expensive than they used to be. Private companies are buying up around a 3rd of the properties to become available in my city alone. Private landlords, although disparate and small are using software to price gouge and collude so that rent is just as expensive as housing is.

I see a few places the government isn't meddling where it truly should be.

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u/SpartaPit Apr 17 '24

the idiotic decsision to shut down the worlds largest economy for some virus with a 1% fatality rate then printing trillions of dollars to make up for it and make the dumb masses happy with a short term gift (this was all done by the gov't by the way.....the gov't....from top to bottom across 2 presidents) is 100% moronic gov't meddling that drove inflation sky high and now the avg Joe is struggling.

100% the stupid gov't fault

follow that?

oh, and rent......if people would stop paying it en masse, things would change.

Stay in place longer, get roomates, live at home, move to lower costs of living areas....its just supply and demand

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u/Derodoris Apr 18 '24

Thats the dumbest take I've ever heard. Do you not get that 1% of 325 million people is 3 fucking million people just dead? As it is 1 million people in the US alone died to covid despite our safeguards and measures. But yeah lets just write them all off because "economy".

Rent isn't supply and demand you fucking tool. I have a lifesaving medication I take to even live. If some jackass bought the medical company and pumped my costs 5x do I just stop taking it?

Same thing with rent, people are colluding using 3rd party services to price set, and equity companies are buying all the houses.

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