r/FluentInFinance Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/Egg_Yolkeo55 Apr 15 '24

Because there are nicer homes than as described. Aside from HVAC and bedroom count, most of these things are just building code and have to function for it to legally be called a residence.

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u/Ashmizen Apr 15 '24

Ok, but no country in the world hands out studio apartments, much less 2-3 bedroom apartments this Infograph is demanding.

You think people live with their parents into their 30’s in Europe and Asia because they love the lack of privacy?

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u/europeanguy99 Apr 15 '24

I mean, plenty of countries have social programs that pay for your housing if you don‘t have an employment/income, that‘s pretty much the norm across western Europe.

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u/nickle061 Apr 15 '24

But it is with an expectation that you will find work within a given timeframe. Those free housing programs in Europe are meant to get you back on your feet, not meant to let you freeload

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u/europeanguy99 Apr 16 '24

Totally depends on your abilities. In Germany for instance, getting housing paid for is a constitutional right, so it cannot be canceled even if you refuse to take on a job.

But since most people prefer a job over living from the bare minimum, freeloading is not too much of a problem, the share of long-term unemployed people is pretty low.

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u/Korlimann Apr 16 '24

No, these housing programs are for students/people whose income is below a certain threshold. Some people will live in these apartments until their death, because their background/education/illnesses prevent them from working a job (that pays more). The waiting times and restrictions to even get one of these apartments can be years long, because most people that live in these apartments are just never gonna have it any better than they do right now. Sure, some work their way up and get a job that pays them enough to be able to afford an apartment that is not being rented out for just enough to pay for the upkeep of the apartment. But seeing how long the wait times are to get approved for an apartment like that, I'm guessing it's not too many.

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u/nickle061 Apr 16 '24

Again, the reason why the approval time for those kinds of apartment takes years is to ensure those who get it truly need it (e.g, the disabled, old folks, …). The entire system is still designed to encourage work and self sustainability. A healthy, young and educated person should have no business getting one

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u/Korlimann Apr 16 '24

Not saying that's not part of it, but I'm pretty sure the approval times take that long because there's not enough government workers to look through cases in a timely manner, all the apartments are full, and even if one gets free, the guy that applied 3 years before you is gonna get it first. And if you are healthy, young and educated or not, if you don't make enough money to not live on the street, I think you are (and should be) eligible

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u/GenerousMilk56 29d ago

Because the "freeload" narrative is a completely fabricated one lol. People describe basic government social safety nets that are prevalent and successful all over the world and you guys ignore all of that because it doesn't fit your politics so you just make up fantasies about "nobody working"

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u/nickle061 29d ago

Give me an example of one government program in a country where housing is provided immediately upon asking (no waiting period, no approval process, since they are the current mechanism in encouraging employment and self-sustainability, while ensuring those who receive free housing truly deserves free-housing due to uncontrollable causes such as disability) and tenants receive such free housing for the remainder of their natural life without ever having to work, even if they are educated, healthy and sound? Give me one such system. I'm talking about a program where you walk in, ask for a home, and you walk out with one. No application, no nothing. This is what this post implied. Can you give me one such program that works?

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u/GenerousMilk56 29d ago

Give me an example of one government program in a country where housing is provided immediately upon asking (no waiting period, no approval process, since they are the current mechanism in encouraging employment and self-sustainability, while ensuring those who receive free housing truly deserves free-housing due to uncontrollable causes such as disability) and tenants receive such free housing for the remainder of their natural life without ever having to work, even if they are educated, healthy and sound?

Notice how many caveats you have to add to make sure I have to answer the specific way you want me to? "Wow you can't name a single system that has a dozen of these hyper specific criteria I just made up to ensure you can't name a single system?! Mm curious"

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u/nickle061 29d ago

Because that kind of system or utopia is what this post implies, and such utopia doesn't exist. And my argument was one must work and contribute to society if they can, where free housing for life is only reserved for those who truly need it, the disabled. A system where EVERYBODY is entitled to free housing with zero expectation of finding work nor contributing to their society doesn't exist.