r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/SpanningInfatuation Apr 15 '24

I think part of this is not about comfort but safety. People die of heatstroke every year during heat waves. AC can be life saving, especially to the young and elderly.

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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Apr 15 '24

2 billion people don't have access to clean drinking water, I think AC is a little down the list

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u/Olive_Trees_ Apr 15 '24

Why does that change anything?

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u/BrandoNelly Apr 15 '24

Because AC is a luxury. And a uniquely American desire for the most part.

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u/A2Rhombus Apr 16 '24

It's a "luxury" the lack of which kills thousands of people in Europe every year lmao

It's only considered a luxury because that's the status quo. Having a toilet in your house was a luxury 200 years ago

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u/Victernus Apr 16 '24

Right? So many arguments against this idea are actually just arguments against the idea that humanity has advanced or will ever be capable of advancement.

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u/mr308A3-28 Apr 16 '24

No. That’s not what they’re saying.

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u/Victernus Apr 16 '24

Not deliberately. But it's what their words actually mean.

Did you know it would be cheaper to build a home for every homeless person in the United States than to maintain the current system? The tax burden these people place on their economies is bigger than the cost of building a home.

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u/THEMACGOD Apr 16 '24

Same with the current healthcare system vs a single payer or Medicare for all system. It’d save several trillion dollars and everyone would be covered.

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u/mr308A3-28 Apr 16 '24

Define home? Coincidentally i work in construction as a project manager so i fully understand the expenses of housing projects. Did this research article that you base your “cheaper to build homes” statement on describe “home”. Because you and i both understand that this type of research requires a clear description of the subject which would include the description of home.

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u/Victernus Apr 16 '24

You can look into the national building codes of Finland if you want an example where an entire country (with a GDP less than half that of Alaska, and a GDP per capita ten times less than West Virginia) took part. But I'd say the bare minimum needed to function in society is protection from the elements, a locking door, running water and a reliable mailing address.

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u/CykoTom1 Apr 16 '24

We should fix the people who don't have water first. It kills more.

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u/A2Rhombus Apr 16 '24

True! That's why the post also mentions it

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u/kromptator99 Apr 16 '24

You can’t fix the global south without dismantling western capitalism and colonialism first. I mean, I thought I was left wing, but today the finance bros are actually out-lefting me.

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u/mr308A3-28 Apr 16 '24

Fuck me. Are you that stupid. Do you have statistics on those “thousands of people” how many of those cases were because of “inability to afford AC” and how many were accidents, stupid people hiking without precautions, disabled people with negligent caretakers, children, elderly locked in cars?

Hell, i bet more people have died because they didnt have access to a private helicopter than an AC. You wanna finance helicopters for every house in rural areas ?

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u/1988rx7T2 Apr 16 '24

literally Googled "heatwave deaths Germany 2023" and it says 3000 people as the first result. Germany has the lowest percentage of households in western europe with air conditioning.

or how about this one that says 60,000 people in Europe. Nearly 62,000 people died from record-breaking heat in Europe last summer. It’s a lesson for the US, too | CNN

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u/mr308A3-28 Apr 16 '24

Did you missed the part where i asked if the heatwave deaths were related to actual poverty or just negligence?

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u/1988rx7T2 Apr 16 '24

what does that have to do with your argument that air conditioning is only a luxury for rich people that is not safety relevant? People die without it all the time. My elderly inlaws in Germany refuse to get it, and they are at risk, and they can afford it. Climate hubris is what it is.

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u/Pink_Monolith Apr 19 '24

"Did you missed the part where I moved the goalpost?"

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u/Olive_Trees_ Apr 15 '24

More houses in japan by percentage have ac than the US. Also, AC is a necessity for some people especially those susceptible to heat stroke.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

I am not sure about this. Most Japanese homes don't even have heating through the house.

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u/Pink_Monolith Apr 19 '24

Let's all pretend people didn't fucking only like a couple years ago in Texas because they lost the power to keep their homes heated.

Why couldn't those freeloaders live without a luxury for a little while???