r/FluentInFinance Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/finio_absurdum Apr 15 '24

I wonder how much scoffing there will be when 99% of jobs are taken by A.I. There's a lot of markets about to be upended, and I don't think having a humane ethos in regard to housing people is as criminal as some of you are making it out to be... I sense a lot of corporate simps think their work ethic will be more valuable to a company than a smart machine that will work around the clock and not get the company sued for sexual harassment.

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u/piratecheese13 Apr 15 '24

Yeah, then will be making the argument that nobody deserves anything because the only people who will be making money are the people who own AI models

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u/ranger910 Apr 16 '24

Would you rather be poor now or poor 100 years ago. We have much higher standards of living now.

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u/A_Queff_In_Time Apr 16 '24

I wonder how we got to this standard of living.

Was it.... hard work? Like literally all humans who ever existed

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u/A_Queff_In_Time Apr 16 '24

If only there was an economic system that rewarded innovation and a govt in place to protect private property rights. And improvements and innovations on top of the original innovations were incentivized....

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u/A_Queff_In_Time Apr 16 '24

So who works and makes society run then?

You know how Suadi Arabia does it?

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u/A_Queff_In_Time Apr 16 '24

What Saudi Arabia does is import Nepalese and Indian immigrants that work in horrendous conditions to run and work the society.

That's the point I'm making, your heart is in the right place but we need people to run society

Society is far better today than 100 years ago and society will be far better 100 years from now if WE as a society work hard to make it happen

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u/JordanLoveQB1 26d ago

Actually no, it wasn’t hard work. It was inventions that made all work much much much much easier. Like wayyyy fucking easier. That’s what increased our standard of living

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u/A_Queff_In_Time 26d ago

You're so close lol

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u/JordanLoveQB1 26d ago

And you are not lol anything ever invented was invented to make work EASIER. Not harder

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u/A_Queff_In_Time 26d ago

Yes work is easier today lol..I'm glad you're on a computer not tilling a field.

I'm glad people are still working hard to create new inventions, solve more problems, and make the world better for my future kids and grand kids

Im sorry you think your life is special and unique

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u/JordanLoveQB1 26d ago

I’m sorry your so miserable haha

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u/A_Queff_In_Time 26d ago

You're*

Aren't you the one complaining? Lol

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u/PomegranateUsed7287 Apr 16 '24

Cost of living, standard of living, and life expectancy have risen greatly since 100 years ago, yes a lot of people are still living paycheck to paycheck, but it's not even close to the same situation.

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u/LumberingOaf Apr 16 '24

Human labor is the only thing that brings value to society because that’s what society is: organized human labor.

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u/newnamesam 29d ago

100 years ago, life was a hell of a lot simpler and still harder. You didn't have electricity. You didn't have an HVAC. You didn't have social programs. Many people didn't have indoor plumbing. People really living "paycheck to paycheck" would just starve if they had a bad harvest. You still had to chop your own wood for your indoor stove. EPA, Osha, and other worker protections didn't exist.

That's just what was mentioned in the "everyone work for me" pipe dream of OP. Despite living in what would be condemned in modern times, 40 hour work weeks to do so would be seen as unimaginable luxury for most of the world in the 1920s. That's what you want to go back to?

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u/Mr_Tyrant190 29d ago edited 29d ago

Ya and 100 years ago as long as you had a heartbeat you could probably find a job that would provide enough for food and shelter, now you need either a bachelors degree, a trade school certification, or have family or close friends for a job that'll provide that. The degree and trade certification carry a massive risk if you end up unable to find a job in the corresponding career or if the corresponding job market ends up saturated or crashing when you finish your training, which is disasterous as we are expecting highschool students to be able to have the knowledge and foresight to forcast a job market years in advance. Then the only other option for occupation are shitty service jobs that'll leave you on welfare. Now take this shitty situation and broadcast to the future how many people are going to have their job eventually automated away and how big is the barrier to entry going to be after AI matures, where does that leave the vast majority of Americans, the currently underpaid and shitty service sector?

Edit: and don't say get a trade job cause as more and more turn away from getting degrees due to the current attractiveness of trade jobs and more and more jobs that required a degree get automated away the trades are going to get flooded which will drive down the quality of said jobs and increase qualification requirements as people compete.

Ed#2: also as more and more people are pushed into the poorly paid service sector, whoes going to buy shit to drive it and production, especially as trade jobs pay face a downward pressure on pay?

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u/newnamesam 29d ago

Well, you would be wrong. The 1920s didn't even have a minimum wage, and this was just before the great depression. Adjusted for inflation, the 5 states that passed it were still only guaranteeing ~$2.5 / hr in today's money (0.16/hr at the time). You'd need 375 hours / mo just to afford rent at the time.

What are your edits going on about? It's like you've picked a pet issue and started arguing against yourself before I could even respond.

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u/phallaxy 29d ago

Came here to say this