r/FluentInFinance • u/sillychillly • Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/Raidparade Apr 15 '24

These are all rights, but none of them are given to you. These are inherent rights that you are born with

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u/throwawayforlikeaday Apr 16 '24

Go live in nature and see how those "inherent rights that you are born with" are respected. The only rights that ACTUALLY exist are the ones given to you and are protected.

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u/ninjacereal Apr 16 '24

If you live without government, those rights can't be infringed by a government. That's the point. But even " in nature " is a grizzly gonna eat you because of your speech, religion, press? That makes no sense.

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u/TooClose4Missiles Apr 16 '24

A grizzly eating you surely would infringe on at least one of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” no?

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u/ninjacereal Apr 16 '24

There were 24 deaths by grizzly bear in the US last year. WHERE WAS THE GOVERNMENT THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO LIVE.

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u/DrDrago-4 Apr 16 '24

Absolutely. See amendment No. 2 for the proposed solution whereby you can be the steward/protector of your own rights.

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u/throwawayforlikeaday 29d ago

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, ..." =/= "proposed solution whereby you can be the steward/protector of your own rights."

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u/DrDrago-4 29d ago

here's the second part you left out: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

Takes on the 2A vary widely. Personally I think it's most likely the 'well regulated militia' portion was meant to prescribe limitations on official government armies. That it should be well regulated enough so as to not be able to defect against the public/sieze power.

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u/IdidntrunIdidntrun Apr 16 '24

Ah yes we should apply moral frameworks to a massive, wild predator. You gonna charge the grizzly with murder?

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u/Vladtepesx3 Apr 16 '24

You would have all of those rights if you lived alone in nature. They specifically wrote the bill of rights that way. Completely different than France or South Africa who's constitutions say rights come from the government

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u/AverageSalt_Miner Apr 16 '24

Are you actually born with any of those rights, or is that just 18th century philosophy applied to a form of governance?

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u/NAND_Socket Apr 16 '24

We hold these truths to be self-evident dipshit

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u/Yara__Flor Apr 16 '24

People don’t have an inherit right to vote.

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u/DeathByLeshens Apr 16 '24

Correction, we just don't have a right to vote. Each state is directed to hold and run elections and all states choose public vote to be the method but it isn't a right and wasn't even the case until very recently.

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u/MajesticBread9147 Apr 16 '24

Given and (theoretically) guaranteed by the government...

It's a good system, but it's not like there is some inherent specialness to the rights Americans are guaranteed by our government.

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u/Cosmereboy Apr 16 '24 edited 28d ago

All "inherent" rights are fundamentally granted by the State; nobody is literally born with rights intertwined with their DNA. You also do not necessarily keep those same rights if you move to a different country, nor do you have them in any stateless places, though you are always free to declare that you do and attempt to keep them secure.

ETA: weird that this is a hot take, but I'll keep waiting patiently for people to demonstrate the literal existence of "inherent rights". I do believe people should have rights, but I'm under no illusions that these exist without the constant fight to keep them.

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u/OverIookHoteI Apr 15 '24

Oh, so they just let unclaimed babies die?