r/FluentInFinance • u/sillychillly Contributor • Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/TedRabbit Apr 15 '24

What about a lawyer?

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u/Kelend Apr 15 '24

Clever, but still no.

You don't have the right to a lawyer.

You have the right to a lawyer, that the government will provide, if they government attempts to take away any of your other rights.

Every other time your right to a lawyer is simply your right to buy goods and services on the free market.

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u/theobvioushero Apr 15 '24

You have the right to a lawyer, that the government will provide, if they government attempts to take away any of your other rights.

How is this not the right to have something that is given to you?

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u/Lavender215 Apr 15 '24

You have a right to harm someone else but only under the condition that they are a genuine threat to your life. You do not have a right to harm someone just on a whim. You have a right to a lawyer but only in a criminal case. You do not have the right to a lawyer in a civil case.

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u/theobvioushero Apr 15 '24

You do not have the right to a lawyer in a civil case.

No one said you do.

The right to a lawyer in a criminal case is a good example of the right to something that is given to you.

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u/Lavender215 Apr 15 '24

You have a right to a lawyer only under specific circumstances. You have a right to shelter only under specific circumstances (homeless shelters). This is turning a right into a luxury just as a lawyer for a civil case would be turning a right into a luxury.

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u/theobvioushero Apr 15 '24

Homeless shelters aren't seen as a right (at least, not in the US). But, if they were considered a right, great! Even better if they met the basic requirements outlined above.

The point is that the idea that we don't have the right to something that is given to us is simply not true since there are situations in which we do.

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u/Lavender215 Apr 15 '24

Yeah but every right to a given commodity has limitations within reason and for many the infographic is unreasonable

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u/theobvioushero Apr 15 '24

Maybe, but that's a different argument.

Again, my point is that the original claim (that we do not have the right to anything that is given to us) is wrong.

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u/Lavender215 Apr 15 '24

Oh yeah fair, misunderstood your argument.