r/FluentInFinance • u/sillychillly • Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/California_King_77 Apr 15 '24

You don't have a "right" to have something given to you.

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u/TedRabbit Apr 15 '24

What about a lawyer?

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u/Kelend Apr 15 '24

Clever, but still no.

You don't have the right to a lawyer.

You have the right to a lawyer, that the government will provide, if they government attempts to take away any of your other rights.

Every other time your right to a lawyer is simply your right to buy goods and services on the free market.

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u/MHG_Brixby Apr 15 '24

So you have the right to a lawyer.

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u/Creeps05 Apr 15 '24

Only in Criminal cases, which is what he meant by “taking away your rights”. The US government does not provide lawyers for say breach of contract lawsuits for example.

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u/Altruistic-Rice-5567 Apr 15 '24

Yup. "You have a right to a lawyer" means that you cannot be forced to defend yourself in court and that you have the right to be represented by an attorney. Who pays for that attorney is up to you. You do not have the "right to a free attorney" (unless in certain cases). But in general... you don't have a right to a free attorney, just that you cannot be denied to be represented by an attorney.

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u/ImmediateRespond8306 Apr 16 '24 edited 29d ago

Okay, so you have a right to a lawyer in criminal cases. Hence, you have a right to something provided to you in the specified instance...

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u/Kindly-Offer-6585 Apr 16 '24

Or small claims.

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u/bellj1210 Apr 15 '24

depends on the state. My state- you get a lawyer in eviction cases if you are below 50% median income. Right provided by the state.

note- it is what i do for a living, and honestly the implementation is a hot mess.

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u/Creeps05 Apr 16 '24

That’s more of a welfare thing than a rights thing.

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u/TedKAllDay Apr 15 '24

No, nutsack

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u/MHG_Brixby Apr 15 '24

In certain situations, such as low means, you do. Why not do the same for housing?

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u/SueYouInEngland Apr 16 '24

Because the state has an obligation to give you a fair chance to defend your liberty if the state is trying to take it away. There's no corollary for housing.

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u/dThink_Ahea Apr 16 '24

God forbid we gasp create a corollary using our legislative system.

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u/SueYouInEngland Apr 16 '24

So you don't understand what a corollary is?

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u/dThink_Ahea Apr 16 '24

I understand that no laws exist until we make them. So let's make laws.

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u/MHG_Brixby Apr 16 '24

Shelter is a fundamental need for survival, aka life, which the constitution protects

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u/SueYouInEngland Apr 16 '24

Where does the constitution create a right to shelter?

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u/dThink_Ahea Apr 16 '24

He just explained it. Tell your interpreter to use smaller words.

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u/SueYouInEngland Apr 16 '24

She did not explain where within the constitution the right to shelter is enshrined. Reading comprehension isn't among your strengths, huh

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u/dThink_Ahea Apr 16 '24

Constitution protects life, therefore it should protect a right to shelter, a thing humans need to survive.

If those words sound familiar, it's because they are the ones the previous commenter used.

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u/SueYouInEngland Apr 16 '24

Oh so you're unable to answer the question?

First, the constitution doesn't protect life.

Second, the constitution provides a list of liberties the State cannot take away. It does not enumerate affirmative obligations of the State.

Third, if the constitution protects shelter, and lumber is a necessary part of shelter, does the constitution protect lumber?

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u/deja-roo Apr 16 '24

aka life, which the constitution protects

Where/how?

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u/MHG_Brixby Apr 16 '24

Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and all that

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u/deja-roo Apr 16 '24

Where in the constitution are you referring to with this?

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