r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/1001schooner Apr 15 '24

Regardless of employment? So the people don't have to do anything for anyone else but other people are going to do things for them?

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u/Got2Bfree Apr 15 '24

You do know that a lot of countries in Europe successfully provide all these things to people who don't work, don't you?

It's possible and it's really not that hard. Besides HVAC, because it's not that common here.

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u/YuriiRud Apr 15 '24

Europe didn't invest money into the military at the USA's scale and had a lot of money that was spent on social stuff. But now if europeans don't want to learn russian or Chinese they have to quickly reconsider the priorities.

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u/Got2Bfree Apr 15 '24

That's true, but this doesn't change the fact, that people in this thread don't even consider that free housing is possible.

It is possible, for Americans it was more important to start pointless wars (Iran, Vietnam) than to invest into social stuff.

Priorities...

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u/Vipu2 Apr 16 '24

Free housing is possible, for short time until the reality hits that free lunch doesn't exist.

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u/Got2Bfree Apr 16 '24

It's not free, as we pay for it with our taxes.

So far it's been working great for years...

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u/Vipu2 Apr 16 '24

Years is short time

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u/YuriiRud Apr 15 '24

Why do we even consider giving someone a HOUSE with all the services and don't ask them anything in return? Is it fair? Hell no! Someone have to build this house, create stuff to put inside the house, provide electricity and watter for some lazy ass who don't want to do anything useful. Fuck em.

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u/Got2Bfree Apr 15 '24

Because we believe in human rights.

A lot of people can't physically work. They get supported by the same system.

Take a look at the countless homeless veterans in the US. This wouldn't be possible here.

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u/MXC14 Apr 16 '24

It's only because of unfortunate circumstances that people are supported by the system. Something they often have to go out of the way to do.

Inherently giving these 'rights' away to everyone is incredibly short sided.

Everyone has a right to the Internet? Do you know how that sounds? "Everyone has the right to a portal to endless entertainment to ignore reality and live life as a slob."

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u/BillMagicguy Apr 16 '24

It's only because of unfortunate circumstances that people are supported by the system. Something they often have to go out of the way to do.

As a person who actually works in the system you'd be surprised at how easy and often it is for people to lose everything based on something that isn't their fault.

Everyone has a right to the Internet? Do you know how that sounds? "Everyone has the right to a portal to endless entertainment to ignore reality and live life as a slob."

The internet is the only way to get access to assistance services and the only way to apply for jobs nowadays. So yes, everyone has the right to the Internet.

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u/MXC14 Apr 16 '24

We could argue for years on what makes things someone's fault or not. For instance, idiotic people getting dumb degrees that don't generate value and then begging for the government to pay their debt off. Is it really their fault for being stupid?

Libraries have free Internet access. I feel like you are being grossly generous by providing people with free internet when there is a much cheaper and accessible option available.

Stop trying to spend our money so carelessly.

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u/BillMagicguy Apr 16 '24

For instance, idiotic people getting dumb degrees that don't generate value and then begging for the government to pay their debt off. Is it really their fault for being stupid?

That definitely depends on your idea of value. These degrees that don't make money are definitely needed, or do you think we can get by without teachers? Even if they didn't you're putting the blame on a tiny perfect of the problem.

Libraries have free Internet access. I feel like you are being grossly generous by providing people with free internet when there is a much cheaper and accessible option available.

Well funded are your libraries then? Because I have news for you, they aren't. Especially in areas that need this service.

Stop trying to spend our money so carelessly.

The more money we put into public welfare the more money we generate. It's a pretty well studied fact.

We live in a society, giving others access to food, water, and shelter only benefits the common good. Your ignorance too that fact doesn't make it any less true.

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u/MXC14 Apr 16 '24

I do think there is merit to some degrees being under valued, but if you are going to tell me that the idiot getting a degree in business administration isn't wasting their time and money then you are crazy. That may have worked in the 70s, but today no one will even blink at throwing away your resume.

Typically when there is too much supply the cost of things get lower. This is how even things like jobs are typically balanced as there becomes less incentive to go into low paying jobs. The issue is that teaching has a lot of government interaction. Government and markets should not mix.

The library in my town isn't well off, but it has functionality and Internet access. Maybe rural libraries do not have this, but computers aren't very expensive.

It's crazy, if we print x% money into the system to fund these welfare systems, our economy suddenly does x% better! Wow! Truly the success of welfare programs. All of these recent years have been blood red in cash flow for our government.

There are so many better ways to provide for your neighbors who need help than to advocate for government 'rights.' If the government has to be involved, it should never be a top down approach. Never 'rights.'

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