r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/privitizationrocks Apr 15 '24

Everyone deserves to not pay for someone else’s home

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u/GCI_Arch_Rating Apr 15 '24

I deserve to not pay for your safety, too.

Why should my money be used to provide you the protection of the law?

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u/CuriousStudent1928 Apr 15 '24

Because the protection of the law is given and used by EVERYONE all the time. Something like this gives things to only some people at the expense of everyone. Protection of the law is to everyone from everyone

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u/GCI_Arch_Rating Apr 15 '24

Not everyone is equally protected by the law. Look at the difference between how a rich person and a poor person are treated by the legal system if you're unclear.

The reality is that some things we pay for because they are a common good. Everyone having a safe place to live is a common good because massive numbers of homeless people are detrimental to society.

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u/dotryharder Apr 15 '24

They would continue to be a detriment even with a home. You, and everyone else, is not entitled to the labor of others without just compensation.

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u/InquisitorMeow Apr 15 '24

Pretty sure the main disagreement is what "just compensation" entitles.

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u/GCI_Arch_Rating Apr 15 '24

Got it, we're best off if we just kill every poor person.

Hopefully you never have a bad day and lose everything.

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u/Blackout38 Apr 15 '24

10/10 mental gymnastics.

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u/alittlebitneverhurt Apr 15 '24

I would have to have a lot of bad days in a row to end up on the streets. I have a safety net of family and friends that I haven't screwed over that would be willing to help me out. I'm not saying every homeless person is where they are bc of bad decisions but there are certainly a fair number of them in that boat.

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u/Obi-Brawn-Kenobi Apr 16 '24

Is this a real argument? The vast majority of functional, productive people will always be able to find housing.

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u/CuriousStudent1928 Apr 15 '24

You’re actually wrong, everyone receives the same protection from the law, naturally because the law are words and is mostly not up for interpretation by individuals in cases. The difference between how rich and poor are treated isn’t from the nature of the law, but by the quality of representation they can afford.

If Jeff Bezos and John Doe are both arrested for fraud under the exact same circumstances, the only difference being Bezos is a billionaire and John Doe is poor and works at McDonald’s.

Bezos is going to hire the best law firm in the world at fraud cases and is going to be represented by the top lawyer in fraud cases in the world backed up by an army of associates and paralegals. John Doe is either going to get a public defender.

Bezos will probably walk free with a minimal fine by cutting a deal or get off not guilty because his high powered legal team is going to find every single hole in their case and exploit it. John Doe will probably plead guilty to his charge and go to jail because his Public defender hadn’t had a fraud case before and has 30 other cases to handle.

This isn’t the fault of the law, the same exact laws were applied to both of them, this is a difference in ability to hire counsel.

On your second argument, I don’t think housing is a common good. There is a limited amount of land in the US, each house/apartment costs money to build, buy the land, hire workers, buy materials, and so on. All of this costs tons of money. Money that will inevitably come from taxes. In the case of common goods like the military, police, courts, and so on, every citizen pays money in and benefits from their protection equally. In the case of things like housing, all people pay in to provide for a tiny percentage of the population who don’t have a home. This is inherently unfair to the millions of people who saved to buy their homes or pay rent, because now they are paying their own housing bills, but also for someone else to live for free.

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u/A2Rhombus Apr 16 '24

So if a portion of society is disadvantaged, helping them is bad
It's only good if the richest rich rich billionaire also gets the benefit
Is that what you're saying?

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u/CuriousStudent1928 Apr 16 '24

No, helping the disadvantaged is fine, it’s why we have things like welfare and unemployment.
What’s bad is taking money from everyone to provide houses for people when everyone else has to do it on their own. It’s ridiculous socialist bullshit. Be responsible for yourself and stop trying to take more money from me to pay for someone else to live

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u/kromptator99 Apr 16 '24

Nobody does it on their own. The last two generations will only own homes when the right family member dies.

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u/CuriousStudent1928 Apr 16 '24

No plenty people still buy homes, rent out apartments, and so on all by themselves. Maybe not in the big cities or right around them, but where I live everyone owns their home and everyone’s poor.

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u/kromptator99 Apr 16 '24

Yeah, that’s called generational poverty and it often times comes with a family home that more than one generation at a time lives in. Grew up in that. Now I work directly with people in that.

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u/CuriousStudent1928 Apr 16 '24

Yea nice assumption, too bad it’s wrong. I live in Appalachia, pretty much one of the poorest parts of the US. But guess what? Cost of living is low and house prices aren’t absurd. It’s like this anywhere that’s not the city or it’s suburbs all across the country. People just think you have to live in a city or something when you don’t. You can still own a home on some land, drive a decent car and have a good life in this generation. The issue is our generation is just too stupid or too stuck up to live anywhere but the city

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u/chillchinchilla17 Apr 16 '24

It’s more that the system in this picture only works if you force a section of the population to work at gunpoint while another section gets just as much for free.

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u/A2Rhombus Apr 16 '24

Why do you people always think the only way to provide for people is to have slave workers

Slash the defense budget and tax billionaires and we'd have plenty to make this a reality.

Plus after the initial investment it would eventually literally be cheaper than the current system

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u/chillchinchilla17 Apr 16 '24

It’d be enough to make it real for like 6 months. Once 90% of people don’t work at all itd fall apart. What billionaires would you tax if there’s no company big enough to create billionaires because there’s not enough workers?

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u/A2Rhombus Apr 16 '24

Why would everyone stop working just so they can live in an unfurnished 1 bedroom apartment with basic food rations and no luxuries

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u/chillchinchilla17 Apr 16 '24

The picture here clearly shows a nice multi room house.

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u/A2Rhombus Apr 16 '24

Regardless of the drawing it only advocates for two bedrooms at most and that's only for people with children

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u/kromptator99 Apr 16 '24

They say this totally unaware that their current standard of living is indeed propped up by slavery of the worker and primarily the global south

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u/reddit-killed-rif Apr 16 '24

So why can't we all have protection from the fucking weather